Talk:Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock

FAC

Alright, let's work on getting this to FAC. I worked on it almost a year ago to bring it to GA status, and now is a good time for FAC. It just needs some copyediting and perhaps a bit more research, then it will be all set to go. Gary King (talk) 19:59, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

I've got a PR already going to try to find any weak spots in presentation, but I haven't gotten much response. I was definitely going to get this up to FA, given the recent news of it being the first $1b single video game in sales. I think the reception section needs the most work but it's not too far. --MASEM 20:01, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Right, Reception could probably provide more criticism of different parts of the game. Gary King (talk) 20:04, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

I added some (mostly prose-related) comments to the PR. Hopefully that will jump-start it. Dabomb87 (talk) 03:13, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

I've removed one statement I couldn't figure a source for, but added sources for all other "fact" tagged points. Only two are iffy, specifically referring to the console-specific character, but I don't know what else we can do - it's an apparently obvious conclusion if you play the game on the various consoles, but no really reliable sources has directly stated that. I've found the marked reviews that appear to be more than just blog sites, but any better source would help. --MASEM 06:19, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

I know the PR helped with some copyediting, but I'd like to see if we can get one to copyedit again and feel free to make changes. Anyone got someone they can help pull for this? --MASEM 00:18, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

What's up with this ref—"Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock. December 2007. p. 102." Page 102 of a video game? Pagrashtak 15:30, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Since its for the EGM scores, it probably should be an EGM magazine reference. --MASEM 15:33, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, taking a closer look the work parameter appears to no longer be supported in Cite journal. There have been a lot of changes going on with the Cite templates recently. Pagrashtak 15:39, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Okay fixed Gary King (talk) 16:52, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Referencing

I marked two references as unreliable. They need to be replaced. Gary King (talk) 19:02, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

These were already replacements from the PR review, and the best I could find to describe this in terms of reliability. The facts they are supporting (there are unique characters in the various console versions) is a fact that doesn't need a strong source to support though I've made sure these are just more than reader reviews. --MASEM 19:15, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

I'll look for replacements references. If these stay in here, then you'd have to argue for them, as I don't really feel that they should be there. The information that they cite isn't even all that important, so the worse case is that we remove both including the information. Gary King (talk) 19:28, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Also, do you have references for the {{Fact}} tags that I placed? Gary King (talk) 20:45, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

I only found one facttag and that being for Brett being only in the 360/ps3/pc version of the game. That's pretty much impossible to source from my checks. --MASEM 22:10, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

I'll be adding {{fact}} tags wherever I see they are needed, so keep an eye out for them. I'll resolve them myself if I can though. Gary King (talk) 01:29, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Just for the record...

There are editors attempting to add in that Daniel Johnson achieved perfects on TTF&F as well with movies uploaded to YouTube to show that. Unfortunately, just stating these are not reliable sources. When Chris Chike did it, there were news sites that reported on that. I have done a recent search and found nothing equivalent for Johnson (even in the reports of his regaining the World's Record). This is not to say he didn't do perfect runs, but we need a reliable source to include that. --MASEM (t) 14:44, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

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Wow, do you not know how to do a simple search? Here are the links to all 5 of Daniel "Phemonman" Johnson's perfects, done LIVE on a streaming video site, viewed live by hundreds of people. FTR he is the only human that has perfected the GH3 rendition of "Devil Went Down To Georgia" which was deemed humanly impossible.

1st time TTFAF: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gud5k2u4rLc 2nd time: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6To_ACbr0s 3rd time: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88RhJ-W8iBs 4th time: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwV3ON9uqk0 5th time: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wkZYBJGaMk

There now leave the edit alone, unless you intend to add the sources! --stanmarsh

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• YouTube videos are not reliable; that is, we need a reliable source to point to those YouTube videos to make the claim, we cannot make it ourselves. --MASEM (t) 16:18, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

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You clearly see Daniel himself in these videos. What more proof do you want? I saw at least three of these runs happening live, along with hundreds of other people. And why is Chike's run only link to his youtube vid anyway. If Chike's is listed, then Danny's should be too. And Chike DID cheat, Hyperspeed IS a cheat and not recognized by Guiness, therefore Chike's should not be acknowledged. Danny did not use any cheat on any of his 5 perfects or dozens of 99% runs. --stanmarsh

• Please see Reliable sources. Even if I were sure that was Daniel in the videos and those were his own videos under his YouTube account, we cannot use YouTube as the reference. Chike's perfect run was reported by a reliable source (1up), we need the same type of reporting for anything Johnson did. --MASEM (t) 19:11, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

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1up is nothing more than a blogger type news source, not an actual news source. so blogs constitute as a reliable source? Chike's video link from 1up just takes you to his youtube video, NOT an actual video report. Therefore Danny's acknowledgment stands! --stanmarsh —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stanmarsh2003 (talk • contribs) 21:11, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

1up is a reliable source, that's the important factor; there's also plenty of other sources that confirm the perfect performance by Chike, which yes, do point back to the YouTube video, but they're the ones confirming that the video is legit. We cannot do that as Wikipedia authors ourselves. --MASEM (t) 21:34, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

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1up is a BLOG community. And you still have not explained how Chike's cheat was valid. In Danny's interviews for his current record the newscaster on this video CLEARLY STATES that he has perfected it. The videos all can be viewed here. http://weblogs.wpix.com/news/local/morningnews/blogs/2009/02/guitar_hero_record_showdown.html On video # 2 at the 0:54 mark, you clearly hear the reporter discuss how he has gotten it perfect multiple times. So yeah, there's your news report! Now can you stop making incorrect changes to this page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stanmarsh2003 (talk • contribs) 23:58, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

1up is a blog community of reliable authors in the field, not just random bloggers, and thus we consider them reliable. However, your link above is the necessary reliable source necessary to assert this fact, and that's all that was needed to include this claim. That's how sourcing works on WP, we can't just go off YouTube directly or forum claims. --MASEM (t) 00:14, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

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Daniel Johnson broke his world record with a perfect performance, with a score around 985K. Currently only a video from his youtube page acknowledges it, but I'd expect to see some news articles really soon. --Stanmarsh2003 (talk) 23:19, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

This is why VNT doesn't work as a fundamental policy. 125.237.26.48 (talk) 05:52, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

3s and 7s

Should it be noted that the version of 3's & 7's by the Queens of the Stone Age that appears in the game is not the one that appears on the album Era Vulgaris? Tubularbells1993 (talk) 22:21, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

That's why we don't include album information - some of these songs vary from their album cuts. --MASEM (t) 22:41, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Gibson SG guitar controller?

A few years ago my friend got this game with the guitar controller on PS2 and it came with the red Gibson SG wired controller from Guitar Hero II. My girlfriend also got it on PS2 and it came with the Kramer Striker, which this article says it should. My friend got it as a gift and it was supposedly new, but after reading this article I'm wondering if it was used made with mix-matxhed parts (I.E. the box of GHII with it's guitar and the outside paper slip of GHIII and it's game) or was it also sold with the SG model guitar? KearF (talk) 19:06, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

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