Talk:Grand Army Plaza station

Requested move

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Grand Army Plaza-Prospect Park (IRT Eastern Parkway Line) → Grand Army Plaza (IRT Eastern Parkway Line) — The current name, Grand Army Plaza-Prospect Park, is only used on timetables. Other NYCTA sources, including line information, the official subway map (including the PDF version), entrance signs on the street ([1][2][3]), both pillar and hanging signs in the station ([4][5]), and most references on their website ([6]) use only "Grand Army Plaza". It does not appear that any news stories include "Prospect Park" either ([7][8] - all of these matches are for "Grand Army Plaza, Prospect Park" as a place). In short, the only place that Grand Army Plaza-Prospect Park is used is the PDF schedules for the 2, 3, and 4 trains. Per use common names, the name of the station is Grand Army Plaza. --NE2 08:40, 15 April 2007 (UTC) NE2 08:40, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

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The last word at the relevant project was "articles should not be moved without first discussing in this WikiProject". Please find consensus there and request a move when an agreement has first been reached. It was requested that this article be renamed but there was no consensus for it be moved. --Stemonitis 08:32, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

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• Oppose. This is a good example of a situation I described at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject New York City Public Transportation#Station complexes. This station is in Grand Army Plaza on Flatbush Avenue and has very little space on The Map for its name, thus the MTA shortens it to "Grand Army Plaza". On the PDF schedules, such as the 2, 3 and 4 scheduls, the station is referred to as "Grand Army Plaza-Prospedt Park". This is part of the MTA's new emphasis on neighborhoods in station names, and an example of where the name on The Map is an unfortunate consequence of lack of space. --Imdanumber1 (talk • contribs) 16:09, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

• • If you would read my comments above, you would see that the only place that "Grand Army Plaza-Prospect Park" is used is in the schedules. No one else uses it, not even the MTA outside of the schedules. --NE2 16:13, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

• Support. I use this station regularly — twice a day, in fact — and absolutely nowhere in the station itself does it appear to be called anything other than "Grand Army Plaza." Nor have I heard other straphangers refer to the station as anything else. User:Imdanumber1's argument apparently agrees with the schedule and only the schedule; moving it would agree with the signage, the the map, and probably most of common usage.  — AnnaKucsma   (Talk to me!) 16:28, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

• Support I have been to this station once before, and pass by it when I take the Flatbush Av. bus. The entrance to this station is on the northern side of Grand Army Plaza. (map) Prospect Park is on the south side of Grand Army Plaza, and the park is at least 2 short blocks from the station entrance. Of the stations that bear the name Prospect Park, this station is probably the least likely to be referred to. The recent addition in schedules does not suggest popular usage, and as with AnnaKucsma, I have not heard regular references to the park as part of this station name. (Let's not introduce expectations of signage changes until they are announced or they occur.) Tinlinkin 17:44, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

• Comment. Although I don't support the move, if the article DOES get moved, and if later, the MTA changes signage and maps to match the schedules, I think we should revert back to this name, if such a case like this happens. --Imdanumber1 (talk • contribs) 15:19, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
  • That's probably valid. I do question why you've never moved the following to their names in schedules:
    • 15th Street–Prospect Park
    • 104th Street
    • Aqueduct–North Conduit Avenue
    • Bushwick Avenue–Aberdeen Street
    • Dyckman Street
    • Marble Hill–225th Street
    • Woodside–61st Street
  • (Please don't do it; see WP:BEANS.) --NE2 16:05, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

I won't, I work with others to reach a consensus name, doing so on the project page. --Imdanumber1 (talk • contribs) 16:21, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Why did you move Marble Hill–225th Street and Woodside–61st Street away from the names in the schedules though? --NE2 17:22, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

I suspect that the name on the schedule is no more correct than the name on the signs, and that the name on the signs is the one people use. Sorta like people whose birth certificates include a middle name: most people don't use it (unless, of course, they're angry at middle-name-nonuser).  — AnnaKucsma   (Talk to me!) 20:20, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

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This article has been renamed from Grand Army Plaza-Prospect Park (IRT Eastern Parkway Line) to Grand Army Plaza (IRT Eastern Parkway Line) as the result of a move request. --Stemonitis 08:19, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

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