Talk:Gotthard railway

Names of Cantons

Which is the proper style--"canton xxxx" or "canton of xxxx"? I would think that "canton of xxxx" would be preferable unless "Canton xxxx" (with a capital C) was the official name. 71.131.249.67 04:42, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

I think it depends on cantons. Grisons needs the "of", but Ticino without the "of". Maybe you can raise the question in the discussion page of Switzerland, to have better answers. Cate 09:05, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Passenger haulage

The article contains the following uncited and undated assertion:

Nowadays passenger trains are mostly pulled by Re 4/4 II (up to two for long trains) and sometimes by Re 460

My (uncitable but recent) experience is that many, if not most, Gotthard railway passenger trains are operated by a combination of ICN and Pendolino on long distance services, plus various emus on local services. Whilst there were some loco hauled trains (mostly on IR services to Locarno) they certainly weren't enough to justify the mostly in the above assertion.

I suspect this bit of the article is simply out of date, but cannot find a decent citable source to use in replacing it. Comments, and can anybody help?. -- chris_j_wood (talk) 08:58, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

I can easily make a list (and show pictures) of pretty much all the different types of passenger trains on the Gotthard line, but I guess that would be more "original research" than "citable"... --Kabelleger (talk) 16:09, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Who built line from Rotkreuz to Immensee

My copy of Cecil J. Allen (Switzerland's Amazing Railways), written in 1958, is fairly explicit that the original line built by the Gotthard Railway Company started at Rotkreuz, not Immensee. Yet both the English and German variants on WP assert Immensee as the starting point. Unfortunately neither cite a source for this. Can anybody clarify this, please. -- chris_j_wood (talk) 14:54, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

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Where is the new Gotthard Base Tunnel?

The new tunnel seems to have been opened in 2016, shouldn't the railway route reflect this? Merrybrit (talk) 11:49, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

It goes off above Erstfeld (41.6) and re-joins at Bodio (125.5).--Grahame (talk) 14:10, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

yes, my point was that the template

Gotthard Railway
elevation (M) or length (m) km km elevation (M) or length (m) Thalwil–Arth-Goldau railway to Zürich 0.0 Zug 425 M Zug Postplatz Zug tunnel 585 m Rotkreuz goods yard Zug Casino Zug Fridbach Rotkreuz 99.4 Zug Oberwil Rupperswil–Immensee railway line to Basel Lotenbach tunnel 36 m Olten–Lucerne Railway to Olten and Basel via Hauenstein line Walchwil Hörndli Bern–Wolhusen–Lucerne Railway to Bern via Wolhusen Brünig railway Bühl tunnel 90 m 436 M Lucerne 0.0 199 m Schönheim tunnel 9.5 Walchwil 449 M 326 m Gütsch tunnel Rossplatten tunnel 48 m 2,107 m Musegg tunnel St. Adrian tunnel 65 m Lucerne Verkehrshaus (Swiss Museum of Transport) 166 m Schiltenneune tunnel Rufibach tunnel 40 m 113 m Seeburg tunnel Meggen Zentrum Kalkofen tunnel 69 m Meggen 10.7 Merlischachen Mühlefluh tunnel 192 m Küssnacht am Rigi Lucerne–Immensee railway to Lucerne 107.2 0.0 Rupperswil–Immensee railway line Freight route to Rotkreuz 460 M Immensee 19.2 0.0 465 M Brunnmatt 04.3 Thalwil–Arth-Goldau railway to Zug and Zürich 200 m Rindelfluh tunnel Arth–Rigi railway to Arth   Arth–Rigi railway line to Rigi Kulm Arth-Goldau station forecourt 15.8   8.9 Arth-Goldau link to Arth–Rigi railway line Pfäffikon–Arth-Goldau railway to Biberbrugg and Rapperswil 13.9 Steinen 467 M 455 M Schwyz 17.0 Schwyz tramway Muota bridge 54 m Brunnen Stegstuden (planned) Mühlibähnli Schwyz tramway 20.5 Brunnen 438 M to Lake Brunnen Klosterbach bridge Brunnen 83 m Gütsch tunnel 558 m Morschach tunnel Morschach tunnel 1,372 m former route 1882–1948 Wasiwand tunnel Brunnen-Morschach railway to Brunnen │ to Axenstein 584 m Hochfluh tunnel 193 m Franziskus tunnel Frohalp tunnel 2,793 m 1,987 m Ölberg tunnel 26.0 Canton of Schwyz Canton of Uri 440 M 26.4 Sisikon 446 M 988 m Stutzeck tunnel 048 m Gumpischbach bridge 171 m Tellsplatte tunnel Stutzeck-Axenberg tunnel 3,375 m 1,128 m Axenberg tunnel 128 m Sulzeck tunnel 100 m Old Gruonbach gallery New Gruonbach gallery 98 m 30.9 Gruonbach gallery 440 M 436 M Flüelen 32.3 Altdorf–Flüelen tramway to Altdorf 35.3 Altdorf 447 M 38.5 Ried 460 M 38.7 Rynächt 456 M Gotthard Base Tunnel 57 km 41.6 Erstfeld 472 M tunnel construction site siding 46.5 Amsteg-Silenen 544 M Windgällen tunnel 183 m Chärstelenbach bridge 127 m Bristen tunnel 709 m Intschireuss bridge 121 m Intschi tunnel 88 m 50.0 Intschi 627 M 50.5 Zgraggental 643 M Zgraggental bridge 89 m Zgraggen tunnel 68 m Breiten tunnel 57 m Meitschlingen tunnel 74 m Säcken bridge 120 m Mörschlisbach gallery 25 m 54.4 Gurtnellen 738 M Häggeribach tunnel 92 m 0053 m Muhren tunnel 1,476 m Pfaffensprung spiral tunnel 58.4 Pfaffensprung 834 M 1,090 m Leggistein curved tunnel Mühle tunnel 88 m 0040 m Stahlloch tunnel Lower Meienreuss bridge 60 m 0054 m Upper Meienreuss bridge Kirchberg tunnel 300 m 0078 m Maienkreuz tunnel Middle Meienreuss bridge 122 m 0102 m Upper Entschigtal gallery Middle Entschigtal gallery 185 m 0070 m Kellerbach bridge 62.8 Wassen 928 M 1,019 M Eggwald 66.6 Rohrbach tunnel 230 m 0061 m Rohrbach bridge Wattingen curved tunnel 1,084 m 1,570 m Naxberg tunnel 70.4 Göschenen 1,106 M Gotthard Tunnel 15,003 m MGB line to Andermatt formerly FO/Schöllenenbahn Andermatt Matterhorn-Gotthard Railway formerly Furka Oberalp Railway 75.4 Gotthard Nord 1,133 M summit 78.7 Maintenance station 1,151 M 80.9 Canton of Uri Canton of Ticino 75.3 Gotthard Nord 1,150 M Gotthard Tunnel 15,003 m 86.2 Airolo 1,141 M Dragoner tunnel 9 m Stalvedro bridge 83 m Stalvedro tunnel 196 m 89.7 Sordo 1,063 M 93.0 Ambri-Piotta 1,062 M 97.8 Rodi-Fiesso 988 M 353 m Dazio tunnel Freggio spiral tunnel 1,568 m Artoito tunnel 74 m 147 m Monte Piottino tunnel 101.9 Pardorea 851 M 1,560 m Prato spiral tunnel Pardorea tunnel 276 m Broscerina tunnel 43 m Polmengo bridge over Ticino 103 m Polmengo tunnel 304 m 106.0 Faido 755 M 109.4 Chiggiogna 674 M 112.6 Lavorgo 615 M 466 m Lume tunnel Pianotondo spiral tunnel 1,508 m Piantondo bridge 111 m 072 m Toumiquet tunnel Travi spiral tunnel 1,547 m 121.1 Giornico 410 M 121.7 Giornico 448 M Lower Ticino bridge 120 m AlpTransit Gotthard siding (tunnel construction site) Gotthard Base Tunnel 57 km 125.5 Bodio 331 M Pozzo Negro 128.9 Pollegio 305 M 129.7 Pasquerio link 298 M 107 m Moesa River Moesa River 68 m Biasca–Acquarossa railway 131.8 Biasca 293 M Crocetto tunnel 275 m Giustizia tunnel 64 m Gotthard South new line 129.7 135.2 Giustizia 272 M 138.0 Osogna-Cresciano 264 M 143.5 Claro 250 M Bellinzona–Mesocco railway to Cama 147.3 Castione-Arbedo 241 M Moesa 85 m 149.8 Bellinzona S. Paolo Marshalling yard 241 M 150.9 Bellinzona 241 M Montebello tunnel 290 m Dragonata tunnel 30 m 154.0 Giubiasco 230 M Camorino 060 m A2 motorway 15,288 m 15,465 m Ceneri Base Tunnel 0,000 m to Giubiasco–Locarno Ry & Cadenazzo–Luino Ry 000.0 000.0 0,000 m 212 M Sant'Antonino 156.8 0,000 m 208 M Cadenazzo 159.5 203 M Cadenazzo Ovest 161.0 Giubiasco–Locarno railway Cadenazzo–Luino railway 256 m Ticino Riazzino 163.9 Quartino 201 M Riazzino-Cugnasco 163.9 166.9 Magadino-Vira 215 M 202 M Riazzino 164.8 170.5 San Nazzaro 211 M Gordola 166.6 172.8 Gerra 101 m Verzasca 173.7 Ranzo-Sant'Abbondio 220 M 203 M Tenero 167.8 175.9 Switzerland Italy border 067 m Mappo Oleggio–Pino railway to Pino, Luino and Oleggio 764 m Rocca Bella 205 M Locarno 171.9 Domodossola–Locarno railway to Domodossola 158.0 Vigana Costa tunnel 68 m 097 m Piantorino bridge (west) Piantorino bridge (east) 63 m 402 m Precassino tunnel Precassino-Maggiagra tunnel 713 m 102 m Maggiagra tunnel Robasacco bridge 48 m 161.4 Al Motto 353 M 1,692 m Monte Ceneri II Tunnel Monte Ceneri I Tunnel 1,675 m 165.2 Rivera-Bironico 472 M 168.9 Mezzovico 416 M 170.0 Mezzovico 399 M Molinero tunnel 75 m 171.3 Mezzovico-Sigirino 378 M 175.0 Taverne-Torricella 334 M Freight line (opened 1977) 134 m A2 motorway 176.1 Lamone-Cadempino 319 M 291 M Lugano Vedeggio freight yard 178.5 177.9 Lamone 319 M Ceneri Base Tunnel 943 m Massagno tunnel Lugano–Tesserete railway and Lugano–Cadro–Dino railway 180.4 Lugano 335 M Lugano–Ponte Tresa Railway to Ponte Tresa Tassino bridge 40 m Brentino bridge 69 m 182.8 Lugano-Paradiso 303 M Paradiso 757 m S. Martino-Tunnel 53 m 186.1 siding 278 M 187.2 Melide 274 M Melide causeway across Lake Lugano Melide bridge 81 m Bissone bridge 181 m Maroggia tunnel 569 m 191.0 Maroggia-Melano 279 M Mendrisio electric tramway Molino tunnel 7 m 194.6 Capolago-Riva San Vitale 274 M Monte Generoso railway to Monte Generoso Mendrisio San Martino 198.7 Mendrisio 328 M Mendrisio–Stabio railway to Stabio Coldrerio tunnel 96 m 274 M Balerna Junction 269 M Balerna 203.5 616 m Balerna tunnel Chiasso SM 244 M Chiasso SM Marshalling yard 205.3 50.8 206.2 Chiasso 237 M Switzerland Italy border Milan–Chiasso railway to Milan Milan–Chiasso railway to Como

in the Route section should be updated for the new route, it still talks about tunnel construction sidings near Erstfeld and Bodio, if I understand correctly the tunnel has been in operation for 7 years already. I'd update it myself but I'm not familiar with the route template. Merrybrit (talk) 23:28, 23 June 2022 (UTC)