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Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 20:02, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

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Mexican War Memorial

• ... that the Mexican War Memorial, (pictured) along with the remains of 169 soldiers, was moved to Philadelphia National Cemetery in 1927 due to the relocation of Glenwood Cemetery to Glenwood Memorial Gardens? Source: 169 soldiers who fought and died in the Mexican-American War were reinterred from Glenwood to the Philadelphia National Cemetery in 1927. The Mexican-American War monument was also relocated to the Philadelphia National Cemetery.
  • ALT1: ... that Glenwood Cemetery was closed by the City of Philadelphia by eminent domain in 1938 and 20,000 remains were reinterred to Glenwood Memorial Gardens in Broomall, Pennsylvania? Source: In 1938, Old Glenwood cemetery was taken by eminent domain by the city of Philadelphia. The cemetery and all the bodies were reinterred to the current location in Broomall. Over 20,000 remains were reinterred to the New Glenwood Cemetery.
  • ALT2: ... that Glenwood Memorial Gardens in Broomall, Pennsylvania was initially located in North Philadelphia and was a part of the United States National Cemetery System during the American Civil War? Source: Glenwood was a part of the United States National Cemetery System during the American Civil War with a leased lot within the cemetery for 702 Union soldiers that died in nearby hospitals.
  • ALT3: ... that Glenwood Memorial Gardens in Broomall, Pennsylvania was initially established in 1849 as a rural cemetery in North Philadelphia? Source: Glenwood cemetery was first established in 1849 by William Curtis and Francis Knox Morton at 27th Street & Ridge Avenue in Philadelphia. It was 20 acres in size and was created in the popular mid-nineteenth century rural cemetery design.
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Charles Thaddeus Russell

5x expanded by Dwkaminski (talk). Self-nominated at 14:20, 11 January 2022 (UTC).

• Ok, I shall review this one. Schwede66 01:57, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

Not 5x expanded as stated but a new article started on 9 January; nominated in time. Plenty long enough. Referencing is fine. Neutral. QPQ has been done. I've made a number of tweaks to the article myself (feel free to amend / undo / fix things differently). Some parts are too close to the source or even identical. Please use your own words for the following:

• "veterans of the First and Second regiments of the Pennsylvania Volunteers who fought in the Mexican-American War"
• "After World War II, the cemetery expanded"

All hooks suffer from the fact that the Old Glenwood cemetery was replaced by New Glenwood cemetery in the early 1920s, but it only became Glenwood Memorial Gardens after 1945. This would be brought up at WP:Errors; there's a 20-year gap between the establishment of New Glenwood cemetery and its current name coming along. Could you please consider how this issue could be overcome? For example, here's a possible tweak for ALT3:

• ALT3a: ... that Glenwood Memorial Gardens in Broomall, Pennsylvania was initially established in 1849 as Glenwood Cemetery in rural North Philadelphia?

See what you think. Regarding the photo, there is no FoP in the US for artworks, but it does say: public artwork installed before 1927 is considered to be public domain, and can be photographed freely. The artwork was originally installed in 1855 (tick!) but relocated in 1927. I'm guessing this does not trigger the "installed before 1927" clause, but before we can be sure, I'd get advice from somebody who understands American FoP legislation. Either way, the photo isn't great as a thumb nail as it lacks contrast; with a blue sky in the background, it would be a different story. I recommend that the photo not be used. Schwede66 02:57, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

• @Schwede66: I rewrote the close phrasing. I understand your concerns with the Mexican War Monument photo. I have proposed an ALT2 and would like to include another photo in the DYK if possible. Let me know your thoughts on the following:

Orphans decorating their fathers' graves in Glenwood Cemetery

ALT2a: ... that Glenwood Memorial Gardens in Broomall, Pennsylvania was initially established in 1849 as Glenwood Cemetery (pictured) in North Philadelphia and contained the graves of over 700 Union soldiers? Source: Glenwood was a part of the United States National Cemetery System during the American Civil War with a leased lot within the cemetery for 702 Union soldiers that died in nearby hospitals.

Dwkaminski (talk) 14:16, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. I've added the missing "that" to ALT2a. The noun "burial" means the action or practice of burying a dead body; were you meant to use the noun "graves"? The photo is fine. The amended article text is now free of close paraphrasing. Schwede66 22:03, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

• @Schwede66: I've updated the word burial to graves in ALT2A. Hopefully we are all set now. Thanks! Dwkaminski (talk) 13:06, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

ALT2a and the accompanying Memorial Day / Decoration Day image are approved. Schwede66 18:59, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

• • @Dumelow and Schwede66: hey! this is a super interesting article, as always :) I think there's an interesting ALT to be had in the confederate POW angle; something like ALT3: ... that both Union and Confederate soldiers were buried at the Old Glenwood Cemetery in Pennsylvania until 1891? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) 10:08, January 24, 2022 (UTC)

Notable burials

I wonder whether it would be useful to differentiate between existing burials and those that have since been reinterred elsewhere. Schwede66 03:07, 18 January 2022 (UTC)