Talk:Fred Quilt inquiry

An unauthorized history of the RCMP

More information can be found in An unauthorized history of the RCMP if anyone has access to this book. -- Esemono (talk) 18:55, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

An excellent book, all copies I ever found of it were tattered from people reading and leafing through it avidly....long out of print, and likely to reach the dustbin of history unless a major publishing house decides it's worth printing more than books about the Musical Ride and Dudley Do-Right archetypes. Not on googlebooks as a read, it's so long out of print though still copyrighted I wish the authors would release it into the public domain on the internet....the Quilt material is some of the last chapters in the book, as I recall, and fairly cursory....I'm glad to see this article has been made, I proposed it long ago.....it was this case that helped fuel the native rights/revival that started with the White Paper and the Victoria Conference....Quilt was an activist, some see this as a targeted political killing, not random (but oh so typical) RCMP violence.Skookum1 (talk) 13:00, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Second inquest

The source given for the findings of the second inquest doesn't seem to work for me but I presume [1] or [2] (both of these seem to be the same thing, I'm providing the second one because the first one has a URL which seems a bit provocative) which do work for me are the same thing based on the titles. If this is the same source, it covers criticism of the first inquest but don't seem to discuss the second inquest at all (I basically listened to the entire stream) so I've tagged the relevent parts as improperly sourced [3]. Since I can't confirm details of the second inquest, I'm solely going by what our article says but the wording used suggests to me the RCMP were not cleared by the second inquest as suggested by the WP:LEDE before I changed it [4]. Rather it sounds like the inquest was unable to determine precisely how the injuries occured. They therefore did not lay blame against anyone including the RCMP for the death (i.e. they did not find any wrong doing on the part of the RCMP), but probably did not clear them of wrong doing. (It's possible they did clear them but the wording used in our article suggests to me they probably did not.) This may seem a subtle distinction but it's an important one. (Similar to the way in a criminal trial defendants are generally not found innocent but rather they are found not guilty.) Nil Einne (talk) 12:08, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

BTW going by the date given in our article for the verdict of the second inquest and the date for the source both in the second link I gave up and in our article, it's not particularly surprising the source does not report on the findings of the second inquest. (Guess I should have checked more carefully before listening to the entire thing, whoops!) Nil Einne (talk) 12:24, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

• Underneath the audio link is some text when you click the "Did You Know?" tab that says below -- Esemono (talk) 11:05, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Attorney General Leslie Peterson ordered the B.C. Supreme Court to conduct a second inquest into the death of 55-year-old Fred Quilt, citing the close ties between two jury members and the Williams Lake RCMP unit. Unlike the first all-white, all-male jury two aboriginal members sat on the jury for the second inquest. On Aug. 4, 1972, the jury returned with an open verdict, saying Quilt's "injury was caused by way of an unknown blunt force applied by an unknown object to his lower abdomen." The jury did not lay blame on anyone for Quilt's death.

more links

I almost added this to the Unauthorized history section but figured they'd go best in a new section; some I think you've already mentioned....re that one with the "unfortunate" title, that's the title and shouldn't be avoided because of what it says. Anyways other than that one, which I also found on CBC's site, there's this scribd.com item which has some other citations in it, this from the Union of BC Indian Chiefs, this bit of 'pop culture from the Museum of Canadian Music website, and very worthwhile to follow the citations seen on this page and others in The Archive of Place: Unearthing the Pasts of the Chilcotin Plateau, William Turkel on Googlebooks. Very little of this was online when I joined Wikipedia in '06 or whatever it was...'07 maybe.Skookum1 (talk) 13:31, 25 May 2013 (UTC)