Talk:Frankfurt Airport

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Umm...can we just have a list of airlines, like the other airport articles, rather then this huge list of check-in desks.Vancouverguy 22:59, 19 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Yep, you sure can. The wish was granted ;) WhisperToMe 06:28, 13 Nov 2003 (UTC)

I added a picture in January. I can't remember exactly where the tunnel was, but I had a stab at "between Terminals 1 and 2". Anyone who knows better is welcome to correct it. Peter Isotalo 15:25, Apr 19, 2005 (UTC)

FRA-CDG

Why is there this mention about CDG being in a better position than FRA? If we start comparing FRA wit CDG, then lett's compare it with all other major airports. If not, then someone should delete the paragraph about CDG. I don't see the same comparison in the article CDG with another major airport, highlighting its negative aspects: for example that one terminal simply collapsed (solid building the French have got there!!!). --Arado 09:25, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

BA

Hi there,

Does British Airways travel the Frankfurt International Airport -> Glasgow International Airport (FRA > GLA) route? Personally, from my own view, I don't think they do. Kilo-Lima 20:00, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

Yes they do, not a direct flight though (one stop, their website doesn't say where) - BsL 03:41, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

History

The so-called history-part of this article is very short and has major gaps as for example the demonstrations before and during the building of runway west are not mentioned at all. My english is unfortunatly too bad to contribute. :-(

Concourse Distinctions

I propose these be removed, as they are woefully inaccurate. Almost all US LH flights, and all OS flights are from concourse B, not A. More to the point, these shift around from flight to flight, e.g. I flew to Riga last week out of Concourse B, returning to Concourse C. I think the only accurate distinction that can be made is between carriers in Terminal 1 and Terminal 2. --kjd 20:54, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the proposal was move (no objection). -- tariqabjotu 15:09, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Requested move

Frankfurt International Airport → Frankfurt Airport — The name as used by the airport authority, Lufthansa, and others is just "Frankfurt Airport". The latter shows up 9x as much in Google, and from my experience, is the more common name used (I haven't heard anyone say "Frankfurt International") DB (talk) 06:01, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

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Lufthansa+Bogotá?

Hi! Does anyone knows if Lufthansa will fly to Bogotá?

missing breakdown od Lufthansa traffic into its own and Lufthansa Regional airlines

Could someone with access to this information update the Lufthansa destinations to include attribution to Lufthansa proper and to the specific airlines of Lufthansa Regional, like it was done for the Munich International Airport? Doing so would facilitate accurate updates both on en wiki and on other language wikis for the involved cities. --Mareklug ^talk 15:47, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Hardly any description of the airport....

... but nearly endless lists of airlines using the airport, sometimes even with their destinations. Wikipedia is not a ticket machine... One should move this lists into a separate article, like "Airlines landing and starting at Frankfurt airport", or just plainly delete them. And give more room to an actual description of the airport. --L.Willms 19:28, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Let's make it an encyclopedic article, and throw the list of airlines out of it

This article is hardly readable because most of its lines are a list of airlins. It is like inserting several pages of a telephone directory into an dictionary. I do not want to waste any time making any more contributions to this article, unless it gets converted into a real encyclopedic article. --L.Willms 17:48, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

I disagree. Central to the encyclopedic importance of an airport is which airlines serve it, and where they fly to. Without airlines, an airport is merely empty runways and vacant terminals. To have an article about an airport and not list its airlines would be like writing an article about Omaha Beach and not mentioning the soldiers who landed there. FCYTravis 03:19, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

You mean you want to include in such an article on "Omaha Beach" a name list of each and every soldier having landed there, sorted by the name or number of vehicle they came with? That is the equivalent of naming each and every airline in an article on an airport. One makes the forest invisible by the trees. Of course, aircraft do land and start from an airport, but the full list of each and every one of them is irrelevant for this. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a register of travel information (as which such an unsorted list is useless, by the way). If you absolutely insist on such a list, lets move it to a separate article like e.g. List of airlines serving Frankfurt Airport, and then add some useful information there like if one can check in at the train station, if one can check in the night before, if the airline participates in the AirRail programme, and turn the whole thing into a sortable table, i.e. sortable by airline name, terminal, areay, check-in facilities etc. OK? --L.Willms 11:27, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

I stumbled over this article and this is obviously the biggest issue with it. This list of airlines is completely useless in most of the cases but will disturb each and any reader that comes here. However, I see that this is not the only airport article that has this, also Munich Airport or Frankfurt Hahn Airport are made in the same way. So I wonder if this is actually a guideline for airport articles to do this? In any case, if we must have this information I'd also suggest that we move this to a separate page. The article should only mention the major airlines and not list every obscure carrier that happens to have a flight there... Averell (talk) 20:18, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

The most amazing thing is, the entire page does not even mention, how many passengers or freight the airport, one of the most significant in Europe, is handling, the only direct number hidden in the text dating from somewhere in the 1960s. Instead we get endless lists of airlines, which are next to useless. I disagree strongly with the notion, that this is in any way central to the encyclopedic importance of this or indeed any airport article. Surely simple, hard data on core characteristics - such as passenger and freight numbers - that does not take up 90% of the article, is somewhat more relevant in that regard? Para-OZ (talk) 05:05, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Since almost all airport article do this, it's a topic that should probably addressed in the Airports Wikiproject. For now I suggest that someone makes the list collapsible and hidden by default. Averell (talk) 11:08, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Ariana

If Ariana is totally banned why does it have an A321 flight from Frankfurt? WhisperToMe (talk) 08:01, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

People mover

This airport is claimed on the Bombardier CX-100 article to have a people mover between the terminals (and having been on it, I'm fairly sure there is), however there's no mention on this article of the system, or a suitable diagram or link to a separate article. —Sladen (talk) 13:49, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Arrested suspects?

There is this phrase about the "three suspected (islamic) terrorists" that have been arrested in a plot vaguely related to the airport. I'd say this is a random news snippet, and I'll probably remove it soon (until there is some rationale for this), as: The whole episode is only vaguely related to the airport. The arrest was not particularly important in any way. It only mentions a vague suspicion (not even an actual plan, much less any actual threat to the airport). Frankly I don't see how this is more important than the thousands of other arrests made at or in relation to the airport. Averell (talk) 08:47, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Section "Terminals"

The information given in the "Terminals" section seems to be wrong. According to this map: http://www.airportcity-frankfurt.com/cms/default/rubrik/13/13176.overview.htm there are three sections (A, B, and C) in terminal 1 and two (E and D) in terminal 2. The number of boarding gates must be considerably higher than the 45 currently claimed in the article. The 'A' section of terminal 1 alone has gates A1 - A65, and as far as I remember there are no holes in the numbering. See also http://www.sidestep.com/airport-terminal-g001-FRA-Frankfurt for another source.

141.12.111.3 (talk) 19:08, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

 Fixed The coordinates need the following fixes:

• Write here

221.134.106.66 (talk) 00:41, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

The coordinates are correct. Preslav (talk) 07:06, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Map

This is the airport map accessible from the English site: http://www.fraport.com/cms/default/dokbin/424/424499.how_to_find_us.pdf WhisperToMe (talk) 18:30, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Contact:

• http://www.fraport.com/cms/default/dok/11/11276.contact.htm

Imprint:

• http://www.fraport.com/cms/default/dok/12/12260.imprint.htm

WhisperToMe (talk) 18:31, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

From the German site:

• http://www.fraport.de/cms/default/dokbin/424/424498.anfahrtsplan.pdf
• http://www.fraport.de/cms/default/dok/24/24424.kontakt.htm

Information about real estate developments:

• http://www.fraport.com/cms/fra_development/rubrik/25/25613.real_estate_and_area_development-print.htm

Directions to specific buildings (German):

• Buildings 149 and 152, Terminal 2: http://www.fraport.de/cms/jobs_karriere/dokbin/235/235739.wegbschreibung_t2.pdf
• Building 201, Terminal 1: http://www.fraport.de/cms/jobs_karriere/dokbin/291/291323.wegbeschreibung_geb_201.pdf
• Building 664: http://www.fraport.de/cms/jobs_karriere/dokbin/293/293301.wegbeschreibung_gebaeude_664.pdf

Page 16 of this document explains http://www.fraport.de/cms/default/dokbin/436/436643.bodenverkehrsdienste.pdf : "Auf der Nordseite für Standardluftfracht: Gebäude 420, 451, 453, 455, 463 Auf der Südseite für Standardluftfracht: Gebäude 550* Gebäude 531, 537, 543 Für Perishable Fracht: Gebäude 454 Für Luftpost: Gebäude 189, 117" WhisperToMe (talk) 21:55, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Changes

The traffic routes and stats of the routes in Hamburg. "China Eastern" was not available in 2009. This is a 2009 Stat by Fraport around 2009-2010 not 2010-2011 or 2011-2012 --Mohamed Aden Ighe 21:57, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Runway 26L

I read about Runway 26L from here, referencing a Jeppesen chart (that I can't obtain). Google Maps show this runway here. Anyone can help adding this runway? --Dingruogu (talk) 17:27, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of section

The section “Aircraft” provides no encyclopedic contents. Furthermore, it is not compliant with WP:NOTRAVEL, so I propose the deletion of the entire section that only lists airlines, frequencies and shows pictures with no reference at all.--Jetstreamer ^Talk 23:25, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

I don't see why you'd even need to discuss it. That sort of stuff belongs on a fanboy/spotters site, not here. YSSYguy (talk) 00:35, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

Done. Jpatokal (talk) 04:36, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

Bit late but support removal, oh and can we do something with those awful route diagrams. MilborneOne (talk) 19:17, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

The only possibly encyclopedic content would be who fly the A380 (number of LH routes, list of other carriers). Who fly the 747 at such a megahub is definitely meaningless. HkCaGu (talk) 02:09, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

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Nonstop routes?

Santiago, Chile is listed as a nonstop route in the map here. No airline offers this route non-stop. LAN Chile operates through Madrid. Al.in.b2s (talk) 20:32, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

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Traffic statistics 2017

There's one mistake in the statistics section at the very beginning of the article. Movements increased by 2.7%, not decreased by this amount. Sources: http://www.fraport.de/content/fraport/de/misc/binaer/verkehrszahlen/konzern/2017/monatliche-verkehrszahlen/traffic-sheet-de/jcr:content.file/traffic-sheet-2017-dezember_de.pdf 88.78.84.51 (talk) 16:53, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

The two towers

The map in the article marks two locations as "TWR". Is there a new ATC tower under construction at terminal 3? Anyway, this should be clarified on the map. --82.83.231.43 (talk) 00:41, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 October 2022

Eurowings Discover is starting temporary seasonal service to Philadelphia on October 31, 2022. Source: https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/221009-ewnw22us 73.254.58.23 (talk) 03:01, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

 Done — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 14:38, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

Lufthansa destinations list

Hi. The Lufthansa destinations list is very out of date, to the point of being misleading. Some of these destinations have not been flown since before Covid. I recently made some changes to bring it more up-to-date. All these changes have been reversed. Someone may want to have a look into this as the information currently displayed is laughably inaccurate. ProjectLauren (talk) 15:57, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

ITA Airways to Rome

the route ITA Airways to Rome is not suspended anymore 2A02:810D:A480:1E0A:80F8:A087:D862:6395 (talk) 16:04, 29 July 2023 (UTC)