Talk:Frank Espinosa

Just a quick note to say I've removed the link to Comic Book DB as it in turn links to frankespinosa.com, a site we've been informed through OTRS (Ticket#2014060410017072) and through http://frankespinosanuevomundi.blogspot.it to be fake/impersonation. Nick (talk) 17:45, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

The page on Comic Book DB is for the correct Frank Espinosa, and merely happens to include a secondary offsite link to an incorrect website alongside other content which is about the correct person. We are not required to remove a link to a legitimate database entry on the grounds that have been cited — especially when that database entry was the article's only reference, thereby causing this to become an unreferenced BLP, something which no article on Wikipedia is ever allowed to be. If there's a problem with that external link, then that's ComicBookDB's issue to fix; it is not our responsibility to suppress the ComicBookDB link just because it includes a link to another incorrect webpage in the body of an entry that is otherwise about the correct topic.

And furthermore, having viewed the purportedly "fake/impersonation" page for myself, there's not a single thing on it which even implies that the owner of that domain is attempting to impersonate this Frank Espinosa — it's a perfectly legitimate website for a person who merely happens to have the same name, which is not even remotely the same thing as an intentional "impersonation". Bearcat (talk) 07:10, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

Frank and his publisher consider the site to be impersonating him, the URL has been added here and to Comic Book DB, which confirms their complaints it's either impersonation or an unofficial fan site, removing the link here and the Comic Book DB link is sensible since there are also contributory copyright infringement issues at play here. If you remove the full protection, I'm quite happy to find and add references to the article however, and I'll have a look to see if I can remove the link on the Comic Book DB, since it's a user edited source. Nick (talk) 07:44, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Fair enough on the references. I've taken protection back off but left the prior pending changes alone (but if you're on the OTRS team you've clearly been around here long enough to have autoconfirmed status, so that won't interfere.) The referencing was my primary concern here; even as non-ideal as a database entry is for referencing, it's still (marginally) better than having no references at all. If there are good references out there to be found, however, then ComicBookDB wouldn't even be necessary anymore.

(The thing about the disputed web page, for the record, is that there's not a single thing anywhere on the page that identifies its owner as a comic book artist, or claims or even implies credit for any of this Frank Espinosa's work; rather, it makes completely unrelated career claims, and shows completely unrelated work, that resemble our article subject only in the sense that they both happen to be in the arts. I've seen numerous cases where people have filed OTRS claims of defamation because our articles about them were wrong, only to discover that they were actually unrelated non-notable people who merely happened to have the same name as a different notable person about whom our article was actually correct and non-defamatory — it takes far more than just "happens to have the same name" to constitute a valid defamation or impersonation claim, and the website in question doesn't pass that test if you actually look at it.) Bearcat (talk) 18:30, 14 June 2014 (UTC)