Talk:Fellows Auctioneers

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Tommy Tranter As part of its services, Fellows carries out house clearances a source of much of the furniture it sells and also one of its more notable sales. Tommy Tranter was a local antiques dealer who lived in a large Victorian terraced house crammed with pictures, bronzes, music boxes, coloured glass and militaria. It took the valuers two days to empty the house due to the sheer volume of items and was split into a two-day sale. A story had leaked that Tommy had died intestate and as a result Fellows were besieged by ‘wannabe’ Tranters. Fellows did however discover his sister who had been adopted at birth and she became a significant beneficiary of the value of her late brother's collections. The second day of the sale went live on local TV. Queues of people formed outside the auction house, each wanting an item from the Tommy Tranter collection. It was one of Fellows’ more famous sales. Record Rolex Submariner Fellows sold a rare vintage Rolex Submariner - model number 5513 with movement calibre 1530. The model was sold in Fellows' Wrist & Pocket Watch auction in January 2009. It was estimated at £900 - £1,400 but surpassed this and was snapped up for a staggering £35,000 by a bidder in the room. This particular model is highly collectable so it attracted a lot of interest from people around the world. Staffordshire VAT scan assets auctioned Fellows also recently sold watches belonging to Craig Johnson, Meaford Hall, Staffordshire currently serving 12 years for fraud and money laundering. He was the mastermind behind a mobile phone sales swindle which made a reported £138 million. Some of his assets included £200,000 worth of Rolex watches and jewellery. One of his watches sold for £37,000 breaking watch record prices at Fellows. The watch was a Rolex platinum and diamond set DayDate. Rolex Milgauss In November 2018 Fellows sold a Rolex Milgauss for a hammer price of £110,000. This sale set a new house record for a price achieved by a watch at auction. The Rolex Oyster Perpetual Milgauss dated from 1958 and was given an estimate of £40,000 – £60,000 ahead of the auction which took place on Tuesday 28 November. Paul Newman In November 2016 Fellows sold two Paul Newman Daytona’s. The timepieces sold for £80,000 and £96,000 respectively. The former was the very same model seen on Paul Newman’s wrist. The latter was identical except for the bezel with its black acrylic insert. However, this model was rarer more desirable, due to the colour contrast of the bezel. Designer Collection Since April 2016 Fellows launched their very own Designer sale. The Designer Collection Sales include a selection of women’s designer handbags from classic brands, featuring names such as Hermès, Chanel, Mulberry, Gucci and Louis Vuitton. There is a collection of stylish bags, including Hermès Birkins, vintage clutches, contemporary totes and designer purses. The sale also includes a selection of designer clothing and luxury accessories including sunglasses and belts. (Would it be possible for us to try and get a mention on the Birkin Wikipedia page? We’ve sold some stunning Birkins in the past) Fellows Auctioneers and W.A Bolin collaboration The unique collaboration brought together over 360 years of history from the 2 companies. The auction featured Scandinavian pieces sitting alongside other designers such as Cartier; Bulgari; Van Cleef and Arpels; as well as other examples of fine, antique and modern jewellery. Explanation of issue: Not much text on this on Wikipedia page - more information on Fellows should be included in this page to give visitors more information about the company and it's history. This is information about past auctions that have been solved to give a better idea of what the company does and interesting news users on wikipedia might like to know. Also connected to some interesting people throughout history References supporting change: https://www.fellows.co.uk https://web.archive.org/web/20090131135956/ http://auctionpublicity.com/2009/01/20/rare-james-bond-rolex-exceeds-estimate-prices/ http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_midlands/black_country/7741881.stm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolex_Submariner https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meaford_Hall,_Staffordshire References

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Tommy Tranter As part of its services, Fellows carries out house clearances a source of much of the furniture it sells and also one of its more notable sales. Tommy Tranter was a local antiques dealer who lived in a large Victorian terraced house crammed with pictures, bronzes, music boxes, coloured glass and militaria. It took the valuers two days to empty the house due to the sheer volume of items and was split into a two-day sale. A story had leaked that Tommy had died intestate and as a result Fellows were besieged by ‘wannabe’ Tranters. Fellows did however discover his sister who had been adopted at birth and she became a significant beneficiary of the value of her late brother's collections. The second day of the sale went live on local TV. Queues of people formed outside the auction house, each wanting an item from the Tommy Tranter collection. It was one of Fellows’ more famous sales. Record Rolex Submariner Fellows sold a rare vintage Rolex Submariner - model number 5513 with movement calibre 1530. The model was sold in Fellows' Wrist & Pocket Watch auction in January 2009. It was estimated at £900 - £1,400 but surpassed this and was snapped up for a staggering £35,000 by a bidder in the room. This particular model is highly collectable so it attracted a lot of interest from people around the world. Staffordshire VAT scan assets auctioned Fellows also recently sold watches belonging to Craig Johnson, Meaford Hall, Staffordshire currently serving 12 years for fraud and money laundering. He was the mastermind behind a mobile phone sales swindle which made a reported £138 million. Some of his assets included £200,000 worth of Rolex watches and jewellery. One of his watches sold for £37,000 breaking watch record prices at Fellows. The watch was a Rolex platinum and diamond set DayDate. Rolex Milgauss In November 2018 Fellows sold a Rolex Milgauss for a hammer price of £110,000. This sale set a new house record for a price achieved by a watch at auction. The Rolex Oyster Perpetual Milgauss dated from 1958 and was given an estimate of £40,000 – £60,000 ahead of the auction which took place on Tuesday 28 November. Paul Newman In November 2016 Fellows sold two Paul Newman Daytona’s. The timepieces sold for £80,000 and £96,000 respectively. The former was the very same model seen on Paul Newman’s wrist. The latter was identical except for the bezel with its black acrylic insert. However, this model was rarer more desirable, due to the colour contrast of the bezel. Designer Collection Since April 2016 Fellows launched their very own Designer sale. The Designer Collection Sales include a selection of women’s designer handbags from classic brands, featuring names such as Hermès, Chanel, Mulberry, Gucci and Louis Vuitton. There is a collection of stylish bags, including Hermès Birkins, vintage clutches, contemporary totes and designer purses. The sale also includes a selection of designer clothing and luxury accessories including sunglasses and belts. Fellows Auctioneers and W.A Bolin collaboration The unique collaboration brought together over 360 years of history from the 2 companies. The auction featured Scandinavian pieces sitting alongside other designers such as Cartier; Bulgari; Van Cleef and Arpels; as well as other examples of fine, antique and modern jewellery.

References supporting change: Fellows Auctioneers (online) https://www.fellows.co.uk Eloisedb (talk) 10:23, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

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History The company's origin can be traced back to the collapse of an order for bicycles in 1876. When William Henry Fellows, who was based in Digbeth, was left with the unwanted order he decided to sell the bicycles by auction. The company grew during the 1920s by selling items belonging to refugees escaping the Russian revolution. During the second world war, the business sold goods from refugees from the Nazi persecution who were able to smuggle out some of their wealth. Sales in this era also included lost property from the Royal Mail. Fellows moved to the firm's current home, Augusta House in the Jewellery Quarter, in 1990. The company remains a family firm, and now employs over 75 people. Fellows holds 100 sales per year, more than half of which are for jewellery. Fellows opened their London office in 2018. Tommy Tranter As part of its services, Fellows carries out house clearances a source of much of the furniture it sells and also one of its more notable sales. Tommy Tranter was a local antiques dealer who lived in a large Victorian terraced house crammed with pictures, bronzes, music boxes, coloured glass and militaria. It took the valuers two days to empty the house due to the sheer volume of items and was split into a two-day sale. A story had leaked that Tommy had died intestate and as a result Fellows were besieged by ‘wannabe’ Tranters. Fellows did however discover his sister who had been adopted at birth and she became a significant beneficiary of the value of her late brother's collections.  The second day of the sale went live on local TV. Queues of people formed outside the auction house, each wanting an item from the Tommy Tranter collection. It was one of Fellows’ more famous sales. Record Rolex Submariner Fellows sold a rare vintage Rolex Submariner - model number 5513 with movement calibre 1530. The model was sold in Fellows' Wrist & Pocket Watch auction in January 2009. It was estimated at £900 - £1,400 but surpassed this and was snapped up for a staggering £35,000 by a bidder in the room. This particular model is highly collectable so it attracted a lot of interest from people around the world. Staffordshire VAT scan assets auctioned Fellows also recently sold watches belonging to Craig Johnson, Meaford Hall, Staffordshire currently serving 12 years for fraud and money laundering. He was the mastermind behind a mobile phone sales swindle which made a reported £138 million. Some of his assets included £200,000 worth of Rolex watches and jewellery. One of his watches sold for £37,000 breaking watch record prices at Fellows. The watch was a Rolex platinum and diamond set DayDate. Rolex Milgauss In November 2018 Fellows sold a Rolex Milgauss for a hammer price of £110,000. This sale set a new house record for a price achieved by a watch at auction. The Rolex Oyster Perpetual Milgauss dated from 1958 and was given an estimate of £40,000 – £60,000 ahead of the auction which took place on Tuesday 28 November. Paul Newman  In November 2016 Fellows sold two Paul Newman Daytona’s setting a new record. The timepieces sold for £80,000 and £96,000 respectively. The former was the very same model seen on Paul Newman’s wrist. The latter was identical except for the bezel with its black acrylic insert. However, this model was rarer more desirable, due to the colour contrast of the bezel. Designer Collection Since April 2016 Fellows launched their very own Designer sale. The Designer Collection Sales include a selection of women’s designer handbags from classic brands, featuring names such as Hermès, Chanel, Mulberry, Gucci and Louis Vuitton. There is a collection of stylish bags, including Hermès Birkins, vintage clutches, contemporary totes and designer purses. The sale also includes a selection of designer clothing and luxury accessories including sunglasses and belts. Fellows Auctioneers and W.A Bolin collaboration Fellows Auctions have joined in collaboration with W.A Bolin for an auction that took place on 23rd April 2017. The unique collaboration brought together over 360 years of history from the 2 companies. The auction features an excess of 500 lots including fine, antique and modern jewellery, the auction also featured Scandinavian pieces sitting alongside other designers such as Cartier; Bulgari; Van Cleef and Arpels; as well as other examples of fine, antique and modern jewellery. References

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The company's origin can be traced back to the collapse of an order for bicycles in 1876. When William Henry Fellows, who was based in Digbeth, was left with the unwanted order he decided to sell the bicycles by auction. The company grew during the 1920s by selling items belonging to refugees escaping the Russian revolution. During the second world war, the business sold goods from refugees from the Nazi persecution who were able to smuggle out some of their wealth. Sales in this era also included lost property from the Royal Mail. Fellows moved to the firm's current home, Augusta House in the Jewellery Quarter, in 1990. The company remains a family firm, and now employs over 75 people. Fellows holds 100 sales per year, more than half of which are for jewellery. Fellows opened their London office in 2018. As part of its services, Fellows carries out house clearances a source of much of the furniture it sells and also one of its more notable sales. Tommy Tranter was a local antiques dealer who lived in a large Victorian terraced house crammed with pictures, bronzes, music boxes, coloured glass and militaria. It took the valuers two days to empty the house due to the sheer volume of items and was split into a two-day sale. A story had leaked that Tommy had died intestate and as a result Fellows were besieged by ‘wannabe’ Tranters. Fellows did however discover his sister who had been adopted at birth and she became a significant beneficiary of the value of her late brother's collections. The second day of the sale went live on local TV. Queues of people formed outside the auction house, each wanting an item from the Tommy Tranter collection. It was one of Fellows’ more famous sales. Fellows sold a rare vintage Rolex Submariner - model number 5513 with movement calibre 1530. The model was sold in Fellows' Wrist & Pocket Watch auction in January 2009. It was estimated at £900 - £1,400 but surpassed this and was snapped up for a staggering £35,000 by a bidder in the room.  Declined. This particular model is highly collectable so it attracted a lot of interest from people around the world.  Declined. Fellows also recently sold watches belonging to Craig Johnson, Meaford Hall, Staffordshire currently serving 12 years for fraud and money laundering. He was the mastermind behind a mobile phone sales swindle which made a reported £138 million.  Declined. Some of his assets included £200,000 worth of Rolex watches and jewellery. One of his watches sold for £37,000 breaking watch record prices at Fellows. The watch was a Rolex platinum and diamond set DayDate. In November 2018 Fellows sold a Rolex Milgauss for a hammer price of £110,000. This sale set a new house record for a price achieved by a watch at auction. The Rolex Oyster Perpetual Milgauss dated from 1958 and was given an estimate of £40,000 – £60,000 ahead of the auction which took place on Tuesday 28 November.  Declined. In November 2016 Fellows sold two Paul Newman Daytona’s setting a new record.  Declined. The timepieces sold for £80,000 and £96,000 respectively. The former was the very same model seen on Paul Newman’s wrist. The latter was identical except for the bezel with its black acrylic insert. However, this model was rarer more desirable, due to the colour contrast of the bezel. Since April 2016 Fellows launched their very own Designer sale. The Designer Collection Sales include a selection of women’s designer handbags from classic brands, featuring names such as Hermès, Chanel, Mulberry, Gucci and Louis Vuitton. There is a collection of stylish bags, including Hermès Birkins, vintage clutches, contemporary totes and designer purses. The sale also includes a selection of designer clothing and luxury accessories including sunglasses and belts.  Declined. Fellows Auctions have joined in collaboration with W.A Bolin for an auction that took place on 23rd April 2017.  Declined. The unique collaboration brought together over 360 years of history from the 2 companies. The auction features an excess of 500 lots including fine, antique and modern jewellery, the auction also featured Scandinavian pieces sitting alongside other designers such as Cartier; Bulgari; Van Cleef and Arpels; as well as other examples of fine, antique and modern jewellery.  Declined. ___________

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This section should be added to the 'Notable Auctions' section. This section is about a historic collaboration between Fellows and W.A.Bolin.

Fellows Auctions have joined in collaboration with W.A Bolin for an auction that took place on 23rd April 2017. The unique collaboration brought together over 360 years of history from the 2 companies. The auction features an excess of 500 lots including fine, antique and modern jewellery, the auction also featured Scandinavian pieces sitting alongside other designers such as Cartier; Bulgari; Van Cleef and Arpels; as well as other examples of fine, antique and modern jewellery. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eloisedb (talk • contribs) 11:24, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

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Notable auction reference issues 26-MAR-2019

Below I have laid out the problems with the references used for the latest addition to the article's Notable auctions section. As I've stated before, references for this information should come from independent reliable sources. As shown below, only one of these references meets this requirement. That reference however could not be added because it does not mention the Fellows auction.

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2001 - As part of a house clearance, the Tommy Tranter collection was discovered. The volume of items unearthed led to a single-owner collection auction, spanning two days. The contents of the house were rumoured to be more worth more than the property itself. The Birmingham Post is a publication based in the same city as Fellows Auctioneers. This would not be considered an independent source, since their reporting may skew towards promoting Birmingham concerns. 2004 - Fellows sold £200,000 worth of watches and jewellery belonging to Craig Johnson, Meaford Hall, Staffordshire currently serving 12 years for fraud and money laundering. He was the mastermind behind a mobile phone sales swindle which made a reported £138 million. This item would be acceptable if it had mentioned Fellows, as it originates from the BBC. But as I stated, the only problem here is that the article — which is actually at this URL and not the one provided — does not mention the Fellows auction. 2009 - Fellows sold a rare vintage Rolex Submariner - model number 5513 with movement calibre 1530. Estimated at £900 - £1,400, it sold for £35,000 to a bidder in the room. This is not an independent reliable source. 2015 - Fellows sold a range of Blue John objects with prices realised from £30 to £30,000. This reference is provided by NgeeArts, who as provider of the auction bidding technology used at this auction, would not be considered an independent source. 2016 - Fellows sold two Paul Newman Daytona watches for £80,000 and £96,000 respectively, setting an auction house record at the time. It is not clear where the author of this piece, Rebecca Cox, is getting her information from, most likely a press release. 2017 - a Graff fancy yellow diamond ring reached £1.3 million and was the most important piece sold by the auction house in its history. Birmingham Mail is a publication based in the same city as Fellows Auctioneers. This would not be considered an independent source, since their reporting may skew towards promoting Birmingham concerns. 2018 - January - a Second World War Panerai diver watch reached a hammer price of £41,000. The reference for this claim is a press release. The watch was acquired from a German soldier during Operation Market Garden. It was sold along with a primary account of the incident and a portion of the German diver's rubber suit. The reference for this claim is a press release. November - a Rolex Milgauss for a hammer price of £110,000, setting a new auction house record for a watch sold at Fellows. The Rolex Oyster Perpetual Milgauss dated from 1958 and was given an estimate of £40,000 – £60,000. This is not an independent reliable source. Extended content section notes References

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