Talk:Engelberga

New edits

I'm planning on making a few edits to this page, to provide more information on Engelberga, using sources I've found through my university studies.

I'd like to add more information on her relationship with her husband and how this gave her more access to land and power. I think the references on the page currently are too limited, so I'll be using a wider variety of sources. Especially the information concerning her control of nunneries, which I'll be using an article by MacLean to add more information on this. Her control of nunneries is especially important to her position after Louis' death and also highlights how much Louis valued her, because he gave her so much land. I also think this highlights how different she was to other queens of the period, as she held more obvious power and influence.

I'll also look at the Annals of the time to provide more contemporary information about her life and her movements. Again, this will indicate how active she was in the political sphere. I think this will give the page more depth and provide a more detailed overview of Engelberga's life.

--Engelberga99 (talk) 08:51, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

Angelberga's origins

I found an article which lists several of the theories about Angelberga's origins. Though this article, too, assumes the Supponid theory to be the most likely, it believe it would be a nice addition to the page.

The article in question: La Rocca, Cristina, "Angelberga, Louis’s II wife, and her will (877)" in "Forschungen zur Geschichte des Mittelalters | Ego Trouble Denkschrifte", p. 223, 2010 (https://hw.oeaw.ac.at/?arp=6490-6inhalt/Ego_Trouble_221_226.pdf)

"If we adopt Stafford’s proposed stages of a woman’s life in relation to Angelberga’s successive yet simulta- neous identities as daughter, wife, mother and widow, the first thing to note is that her family origins are never declared in the testament nor in any other source. It is for this reason that historians still struggle to identify her family background. In 1921, for example, Giuseppe Pochettino surmised that she was a Lombard, of mod- est origins,17 while Hlawitschka connected her with the important family of the Supponids, whose various members held public office or served as bishops in the eastern part of the Po plain.18 More recently, Mathieu made Angelberga a daughter of William of Toulouse,19 while François Bougard has suggested the possibility of a Lombard origin, either through the Beneventan dynasty or a Brescian connection with direct descent from the last Lombard king Desiderius.20 From our perspective, all these conflicting hypotheses on Angelberga’s family background must be used to underline the fact that, even when her own relatives (brothers, uncles) ap- pear in charters or diplomas, they are never connected explicitly to the queen nor does she mention them as such. Only the painstaking research of Hlawischka and other prosopographers has succeeded in reconstructing Angelberga’s family connections." Regularclassicsstudent (talk) 20:39, 13 January 2024 (UTC)