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Applied Science and its place in Democracy - what is this?

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First-time talker on Wiki here. Chadwick was a revolutionary guy. He single-handedly took on the system in the fervor of Progressive "greatness" in England that actually helped the common man/woman. Ahhhh, the Boolean system....even women don't like it. As a rule, from now on I'll use "she" just to clarify I'm not a sexist. Anyways, a little about me. Go to college at Occidental, a liberal arts college in Los Angeles (that's California for all you cave dwellers). Born and raised in Cali (and yes, no one likes it when you call it Cali). Overall, a good college but it has its flaws. If anyone's interested in talking to someone they've never even met about the place, tell me. The school suffers somewhat from an apathetic student body in my opinion (to those who go to Oxy and disagree.....it's just my experience...again for the thousandth time I'm not God, I'm not racist, sexist, homophobic, a society lover, image-obsessed, a Democrat, Republican, tax dodger, liberal, conservative, war lover, warmonger, hater, lover, pot smoker, jock and I try as best as I can NOT to be a fucking label...sigh...that's the flaw with college in that it is woefully PC...computers included...I have to recommend the movie "PCU" for the prospies out there). But, in any case, yeah I made all of college look bad but there are a lot of great things about Occidental in general and if I had money, I would give to it. But I won't harp on this. Oh, and a history major by the way. Great, fabulous History department. Yeah, to reemphasize Edwin Chadwick is awesome. He definitely deserves a longer listing. I might write it but I have other things to do, like ummmm preparing for that big test that's always coming up. All right. Peace, David from Oxy (no stalking...it's actually happened to me once before) PS: I'm no religion professor. I heard about that controversy with the 24-year-old college drop out in the Wiki thing. Personally it seems to me that anyone who's smart should do this so I disagree with profs who don't like Wiki...it's similar to the Encylopedia that Denis Diderot and other wrote...in fact I know a lot of profs at Oxy who embrace Wiki wholeheartedly despite flaws here and there. But, for all you prospies, if I were to sum up college in a phrase: think of high school as a dysfunctional family, and college as a drunken dysfunctional family (or at least Oxy...or in any other liberal arts college for that matter...and believe me I already transferred once from Grinhell in...Iowa...no offense to the actual nice Iowans). For all you who engage in abstinence on drinking, sex etc. (although I personally do not drink or do drugs...I display MY diploma from DARE proudly...who doesn't? That's sarcasm for those who don't know me or don't know what sarcasm is. Sigh.) college is not the place for you. I won't say "sucks to be you" but....all I'll say is if you wanna go to BYU or some other crazy prohibitionist college, that's your choice. Princeton Review doesn't accurately describe shit (lot of swearing in college people). Let the debate rage. PPS: Is there a profile thing? I guess I'm not the only college kid who's not the wizziest of wizzes on the computer. == opening paragraph == In my oppinion the oppening paragraph should be split up into multiple smaller pargraphs as at the moment it is one large paragraph, splitting this up would increase the readablity of this article.Superbun (talk) 17:40, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

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Reformer

Hi I'm Yeena, a student looking into editing this page on Edwin Chadwick for a class on the history of modern medicine. I specifically want to expand upon Chadwick's role as a reformer in the 19th century, and his long lasting impacts on public health. I will mainly be focusing on Chadwick's life from the point in which he entered politics, and outline the various projects he took on within his 22 years of political activity. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yyoon18 (talk • contribs) 23:30, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

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It would seem that this entry has been compiled largely by folk who have normalised the terms employed to make sense to readers in the US - and the "deprecated" passage of talk left available for posterity is clearly of US authorship. Posterity is international, of course, but the word "attorney" differs in significance, depending on which side of the Atlantic you are. Did Chadwick apprentice himself to a solicitor in 1818? The Inner Temple isn't exactly a "Law School" in the US sense- the only thing its junior members are obliged to do in statu pupillare is to DINE.

More importantly, the most quoted source appears to be a treatise on engineering, a profession to which Chadwick didn't belong, which matters because his reputation is that of a "follower of the science". But research (see Mark Blaug, Journal of Economic History 1964 who concludes "Their minds were made up, and where they did not ignore the findings they twisted them to suit their preconceived opinions") has shown that as secretary of the Royal Commission on the Poor Laws (and later member) he seems not even to have read most, if not all, the written submissions of evidence presented to it, which is not what Utilitarians were supposed to be doing, (especially when they go on to claim that it is the basis of legislation they propose) and though he DID base his sanitary report on submitted evidence, (to great effect), he wrote it as a lawyer presenting a case. With the Poor Law, another historian, Peter Dunkley (1981) suggests that the Whig landowners who launched Poor Law reform, one of whom was Lord Althorp, were attempting to force agricultural labourers on below subsistence earnings to conform with the demands of the rural market economy from which landowners were benefitting enormously, and that Chadwick and Senior's notions provided them with a very convenient solution. In Dunkley's last sentence he pays tribute to them for establishing a new concept of "discipline" in nineteenth century society. (Both Blaug and Dunckley were writing in the first place for US universities) . Perhaps Wikipedia has a UK bot which might take care of these sorts of communication difficulty?Delahays (talk) 15:18, 27 October 2020 (UTC)Delahays (talk) 17:20, 27 October 2020 (UTC)