Talk:Earl of Chester

Jacobite Peerage?

I had added the category 'Peerages in the Jacobite Peerage'. User:Peterkingiron reverted this on the basis that it was 'not a Jacobite peerage, apart from being a subsidiary title of the Old and Young Pretenders'. For completeness, the Old Pretender was created Prince of Wales and Earl of Chester while his father was de facto king, and appears at Prince_of_Wales#Prince_of_Wales_as_title_of_English_or_British_heir_apparent. I suggest that: - (1) the creation of the Young Pretender is precisely the reason why it was a Jacobite Peerage (2) Wikipedia should follow Ruvigny's Jacobite Peerage, which shows the Earldom of Chester at page 31. Alekksandr (talk) 21:07, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

On the contrary. The peerage articles are a variety of list articles. This one specifically (and according to policy) does not list Princes of Wales who also had the title Earl of Chester. If the Old and Young Pretenders were listed in the article, I would not have objected. The Old Pretender's earldom cannot properly be considered a Jacobite peerage, if it was given him while his father was still reigning in England: it would be an English peerage. However we do not normally pay much attention in WP to subsidiary titles: most of the higher peers have a string of such titles, so that their heirs can use them as courtesy titles. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:37, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

1. I agree that the Old Pretender's Earldom of Chester was an English peerage, conferred on him when he became Prince of Wales. The article says "See Prince of Wales for further Earls of Chester." IOW, as the OP is listed in the PoW article, this statement is a 'shorthand' way of saying that he was Earl of Chester in the peerage of England. OTOH, as the YP is *not* listed in the PoW article, this statement is a 'shorthand' way of saying that he was *not* Earl of Chester in the peerage of England. That is why I suggest that his creation as such was a Jacobite peerage.

2. While 'we do not normally pay much attention in WP to subsidiary titles', this article is about an earldom which has, since the reign of Edward III, always been held by someone who was also a duke (Cornwall in every case except for the future George III, who was Duke of Edinburgh). I therefore suggest that this article is *about* a subsidiary title, and should therefore pay attention to it. Alekksandr (talk) 19:05, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

Found a possible reference book

on Googlebooks (that helped correcting a misspelling)

https://books.google.com/books?id=VKFfAAAAcAAJ&dq=%22Office+of+the+sheriff+in+rents+and%22+casualties&source=gbs_navlinks_s

Title The History of the County Palatine of Chester

Author J. H. HANSHALL

Publisher J. Fletcher, sold by the author, 1817

Original from The British Library

Digitized Nov 10, 2014

Length 27 pages

Shenme (talk) 20:17, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

Possible error in date that Prince Charles, son of Queen Elizabeth II, became Earl of Chester.

Under the heading "County Palatine," the following statement is made: "Prince Charles was created Earl of Chester on 26 July 1968, when he was also made Prince of Wales."

Many other sources I have seen, including Wikipedia's own article on the title "Prince of Wales," indicate that the date that Prince Charles became Prince of Wales (and therefore also Earl of Chester) was precisely 10 years earlier: July 26, 1958. Therefore I suggest that a correction may be warranted.

162.227.175.17 (talk) 06:41, 10 December 2019 (UTC)Cheryl T.

What comes with the title?

Is this just an honorary title, or does it actually come with land or something? -- Beland (talk) 19:05, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

Bulst

I removed the following text, "; see the ''Prince Henry's Charter Case'' (1611) <ref>Law Reports: 1 Bulst 133; 80 ER 827</ref>)", because a Google search found only this selfsame Wikipedia article. The reference "Law Reports: 1 Bulst 133; 80 ER 827" is thus meaningless. It leads nowhere that an ordinary reader of this article can find. If you know how to make this reference go to the actual "Law Reports" text, please restore this reference. Nick Beeson (talk) 16:07, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Is Prince William now also the Earl of Chester?

I understand that Prince William is now the Prince of Wales since 9 September 2022, after King Charles III announced his creation as such in his first speech as king. While Charles III didn't explicitly mention the title of Earl of Chester in his speech, can we safely assume that Prince William is also now Earl of Chester as well as Prince of Wales (since Wikipedia article on the title Earl of Chester mentions that since the late 14th century the earldom has been granted along with the title of Prince of Wales as a subsidiary title), or is the earldom of Chester now vacant? Just wondering what people's thoughts are. Thanks. Wikiman86 (talk) 14:03, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

Topic is also discussed Here. The King's speech mentioned every other title, either directly or indirectly (ie "The Scottish Titles") except for that of Earl of Chester. I suspect it was just an oversight that will get corrected when the Letters Patent come out, but until then we don't know if he is also Earl of Chester as there is nothing reliable (other than a dubious local news blog) referencing it. It also possible that tradition has been broken and he will not be Earl of Chester. Until we have a reliable source one way or the other, I would think WP:CRYSTAL should apply. Gecko G (talk) 03:13, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

Geez, we haven't got a source yet? GoodDay (talk) 01:04, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

@GoodDay - The primary source will be when the Gazette announces the creation of the Letters Patent. Like when Charles was created as Prince of Wales in 1958: [1]https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/41460/page/4733

This has not happened yet, so perhaps it is a case that the letters patent exist somewhere in the Crown Office but the bureacracy has not caught up yet. ScottishNardualElf (talk) 18:04, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Issue solved. https://www.thegazette.co.uk/notice/4290979 Wikiman86 (talk) 21:22, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

References