Talk:Dystopia (video game)

Hacker/Decker Slang

I think we should remove "hacker" from the slang, the devs intended it to be called "decking" so to not confuse people. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.243.128.9 (talk) 20:30, 27 September 2005 (UTC).

I added it back to the "Slang" section simply because that's what it is - slang. The correct term, as you say, is decking, so your changes to the rest of the article are to be kept. Nufy8 20:39, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

Edits to the Article

Did a big edit for readability and grammar, hope nobody minds... anyway, I added a bit about the grenades that each class is equipped with, but I'm not sure whether I got the details right, so if someone could check on that for me (in the class section) that'd be great. --Tidalflame 12:51, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

Updated grenades with info and fixed the heavy's grenade. Thank god for spideys! Kingcobweb 04:45, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

Cyberspace section re-write

Did a major rewrite of the Cyberspace Overview subsection, especially the part about Cyberspace attacks. By the way, is it really necessary to have a whole sentence stating what fire buttons fire which attack? Plus, I added info on what the weapons actually damage. Without it, how is a total newb supposed to know what the point of Cyberspace combat is? (that is, to dump a user from cyberspace) --Tssha 19:11, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Actually, you can extend that rewrite to the whole Cyberspace section. Mostly changes in tone and clarification of ambiguous points. Also replaced all the word/word terms with one term, because it's best to just pick one. --Tssha 19:44, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Cloaker/Stealther Slang

Some of these Slangs are incorrect i've never heard someone say cloacker ingame. Stealther is used all the time.Ghezus 11:43, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Cloaker is incorrect slang? I don't think so, seeing as I use it, as do the people I play with, I think it comes from the fact that Ghosts in starcraft use Cloak. ---bj

Different people use different slang, it doesn't matter. Though technically speaking, stealther is the proper one, as it is the one the developers use ("Stealther spotted" is a voice command). Master of Puppets ^{Giant Enemy Crab!} 06:50, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Steam Glich

I moved the Steam Glich section to the bottom - it was thrown in there with Overview - what the heck? A past glich is not an overview item. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by DavidBeoulve (talk • contribs) 00:08, 8 September 2006 (UTC).

Perhaps we should just remove that section altogether? I play this game quite a lot and did not even know this. I also fail to see what it adds to the article. -- Sirius81 04:53, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I think that section's getting the boot. There's absolutely no reason for it to be there. ZenSaohu 06:10, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Recent Site Hack

Can someone put up some information about the recent attacks by an unknown hacker on the Dystopia website? I don't know any specific details myself other than that the site was attacked, taken down for redesigneing and security beefing, was attacked by the same person soon after coming back up and was taken down again for even more security beefing. The Kinslayer 09:58, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

As the Dys webmaster and project manager, I'd actually prefer if that info was kept out of the article. However, I can let you know that the site wasn't hacked with the intention of getting access to any Dystopia content or to cause the Dystopia project any harm. The hackers used a vuln in a seperate site hosted on the same box to set up a phishing page and send out a bucket load of spam email. The 2nd attempt wasn't successful, it merely pointed me directly to the vuln file. Fuzzwah 01:25, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

No problem! The Kinslayer 09:38, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Backhacker Slang

"Backhack" is a term I've heard a lot in the short time I've been playing. Proposed def'n: The recapture of an objective by the Corps...or something to that effect. Put in? On an unrelated topic, this talk page needs some clean-up; or, better, Wikipedia needs to change that "+" on the tab above to the word "talk" so this type of formatting isn't such a common mistake. This is not to suggest that I know what I'm doing, mind you. 128.135.6.3 04:08, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Version 1

Dropped a huge amount of information pertaining to the new Version 1 and expanded the "programs" section of Cyberspace. ZenSaohu 01:34, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Second edit; added pictures to cyberspace and general cleanup. ZenSaohu 05:24, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Download Stats

One of these days someone's gonna have to get some download stats down here for Version 1... I'm too tired right now. ZenSaohu 05:43, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Picture

This is just a minor issue but the picture of the heavy punk is an old one. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gibith (talk • contribs) 17:25, 26 February 2007 (UTC).

WP:CVG Assessment

Some short points, for more consider a peer review. These will take some time to correct anyhow:

• Too much game guide-like information.
• Too many lists - write more real content and encyclopaedic content.
• No references.

I gave it a low importance (as opposed to No-importance.) rating because it's a mod of a notable game. Derivatives of a game are generally one importance scale lower than the game itself. HL-2 is 'Mid'.

--User:Krator (t c) 16:59, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

All right then, I'll get to work on compressing it. I figured there was a little too much depth for a basic overview. ZenSaohu 01:42, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Medic Slang

RE: "Med - A shortened term for the medium class player, but is also almost synonymous with "Medic"." slang entry. I've never heard med used to mean mediplant or medic, only medium. "Medi" is the normal term for a medic.

64.119.142.118 14:14, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Dystopia2.jpg

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Article Work

I plan to do some re-writing on the article, bring it up to a better standard improve the article some what. It seems that the article doesn't have anyone care taking it, so I'll take on the role for now. One of the first things I did was I added a video-game box, fixed some spelling mistakes and re-written the beginning part of the article. If you have any questions, suggestions or anything regarding the Dystopia wikipedia entry contact me either on the official Dystopia irc channel or send me a PM via the official forums. --KindredPhantom (talk) 15:20, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Overview has been re-written, Implants have had a couple of minor changes and classes and weapons have been merged into one. I am also beginning to add references and will add more as i go along. The next area for work is gameplay, i plan to add some more detail to that area, mentioning phistball as well. I will be adding a section on the history of the mod and it's critical reception by gaming mags and mod websites. --KindredPhantom (talk) 17:23, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Overview has been merged into Gameplay and Gameplay has been rewritten with a screenshot added. Hopefully the Fair use rationale is good enough to prevent it meeting the fate of the other screenshots. Cyberspace and Maps i have added on and re-worded slightly, those sections didn't need much work. I've included some more references and updated the Verifiable download counts removing the 3D Gamers link as the site goes by a different name now and doesn't have download counts for dystopia. --KindredPhantom (talk) 17:02, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Finished updating and re-writing the article, requested for assessment of the article. After assessment more changes may be made depending on the assessment. KindredPhantom (talk) 15:37, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Assessment finished and more work to be done, first up i'm adding references to other sites and trying to have less pointing to dystopia official website. Then i shall make more changes based on the assessment. 1.2 is due out soon and when it's released some information will have to be changed to reflect gameplay changes. KindredPhantom (talk) 14:48, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Done some more work to it today. Added some more to the opening paragraph, summarized implants as per the latest assessment (2009-01-31), removed the sub-headings for implants and phistball, added more detail to maps and phistball. Next to take the awards and the download rate and put them into a reception section as per the latest assessment (2009-01-31). I plan to also add some more images to the article, a development part and maybe add some more references. KindredPhantom (talk) 18:33, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Ok, so i have added a Critical Reception section in place of the verifiable download counts and awards sections. I will be adding the references for this section soon as in the next few days. --KindredPhantom (talk) 17:51, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Assessment as of 2009-01-31

Going to leave this at Start-class. The biggest issue the article has right now is that every citation is primary, and that the two sections that could build an in-depth reception section (the awards and the download rate) should be combined into one solid, paragraphed section instead of lists. The implants list would be better summarized as well, as in its current form it feels a little game guide-y. It's a good start as an article however, I will say that. Just keep hammering at it and look to high-ranking video game articles for ideas on how to expand and improve what you have set down here.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 03:56, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Reverting to a previous version

This article has become too bloated with unnecessary details and tiny irrelevancies. It's bordering on being a game-guide in my opinion. I would like to revert back to the last version by Lemonsawdust. If no-one objects or has any problems with this, I'll do this tomorrow and slowly start making this article more like an encyclopedic entry. Eik Corell (talk) 00:21, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

I raise an objection to reverting it back to the last version by Lemonsawdust. Instead of reverting i propose that we instead discuss the changes you dislike. I believe it is less game-guidey than it was when i first began to edit the article. I am open to making changes that make the article more like an encyclopaedic entry. My aim with editing is to provide enough factual information without it being alike to a game guide. So I ask that we discuss this and not go to the drastic measure of reverting. KindredPhantom (talk) 13:51, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Oops that was me, i forgot i was not logged in. KindredPhantom (talk) 13:51, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Took me quite a while to get back here, kind of forgot about it. Anyway, my idea is that we absolutely scale back the "classes" section. As it stands now, it serves only as being a kind of game guide. For example, we don't to know exactly which weapons each class has, or how you can hold the button down to fire faster. It's game-guide bloat, and I say we remove it. Eik Corell (talk) 22:43, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Yeah I get your point. But I do think that it should be mentioned about the weapons that the classes can take, perhaps in a more general; less game-guidey way. Your edit that removed the weapon information for the classes was ok, but it left the classes section lacking of details. Scaling it back to that but with some information on the weapons and their grenades could work. In a similar way that the weapon information for the different classes in the Team Fortress 2 article is done, when I rewrote the class section I took inspiration from that. KindredPhantom (talk) 11:56, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Ok how about this - I'll take a look at how you'd do it. Work from my edit and add some more info? Just need to find that sweet balance between flow of the article and actually being informative. Just remember that TF2 is slightly more focused on the classes and as such emphasizing their individual strengths helps that article more than differentiating between various sets of armors helps this one! :) Eik Corell (talk) 20:38, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Ok, we can do that. I’ll let you do your edit then I’ll make my addition. Well Dystopia, is more about how each of the classes work together with a combination of their implants to complete the current objective. KindredPhantom (talk) 11:37, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Much better, all I see a problem with is - Automatic pistols being called "smartlocks" and the assault rifle "MK-808". I say lose those two descriptions per WP:NOTGUIDE. Eik Corell (talk) 04:13, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Ok, how about "and a pair of pistols called the "Smartlock Pistols"" and "a rifle called the "Mk-808 Rifle"". The Assault rifle is called the Assault rifle not the "Mk-808 Rifle" if you have that confused. KindredPhantom (talk) 10:45, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

We still need to lose the internal weapon names. It doesn't help the article, and it's minuscule enough to be deleted without ruining the article. Eik Corell (talk) 20:50, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Internal weapons names have been removed and i have left just a brief description of each of the classes weapons. KindredPhantom (talk) 15:00, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Assessment as of 2009-05-28

The article is off to a good start, just desperately needs more sourcing. However I'll caution up front about using ModDB as a source: it's been listed as unreliable, and shouldn't be used at all.

Beyond that, just keep up the good work and flesh out your sources, you're off to a great start.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 14:55, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

"More sourcing" and "flesh out your sources" Could you explain please as i am not sure what is wrong? --KindredPhantom (talk) 10:50, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Some areas of the article lack sources, and those should be addresses ASAP. As for other parts, you have singular sentences in some cases. Flesh these out into more stable paragraphs or combine them with other paragraphs.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 17:36, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Well, I'll keep the ModDB sources for it's mod of the year awards since it is their own modding competition which makes it reliable. Plus they are only used in the awards section. --KindredPhantom (talk) 15:00, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

2010-05-11 Assessment

• Prose looks really good. The article was easy to read. I didn't find any jargon that wasn't wikilinked when it could be, spelling errors or grammar errors.
• Wikification also looks good. The article is laid out pretty fairly in line with Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Article guidelines. The one it needs is a "Setting" or "Plot" subheading, which I've done for you
• References are a-plenty, but several would not be considered reliable per Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Sources. Now I wouldn't worry too much, there's enough reliable stuff her to establish notability, so the article is in no danger. But see if you can replace some references with ones found under Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Sources, or at the very least find ways to use one source multiple times, bringing down the number of sources that might be questionable. If at all possible stay far, far away from forums and wikis as sources and look elsewhere, even if it's on the game's website. Also, any time there's an author or a publish date please add that to the sources. For instance, some of those scans from magazines--if you can find out who wrote the article and what issue it was in that would add a lot.
• The lead section could use one minor adjustment. Per WP:LEADCITE you shouldn't have a reference in the lead if that info is backed up elsewhere in the article. All three sources are used in the Infobox, so you can simply move the actual references there.

Overall it's a really great article. With the cleanup mentioned in the last two points this has the potential to be a B-Class article. I don't know that it could ever be a GA, FA or A class article since it would need even more press coverage, but I'd be happy to reassess it once these changes are made and award it a B-Class. --Teancum (talk) 15:22, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

WP:VG assessment

For now, I am going to keep this at C-Class. The big thing that is missing here is information about the game's development. I'm also wondering if any more can be said about the Setting, as it seems a little small. Finally, the Gameplay section seems a bit big, especially compared to the other sections; this is causing some issues with undue weight. Perhaps there is a way to condense that a little or even use that section to augment the Setting section a little more? The Reception section looks pretty good, though, and the prose is OK. –MuZemike 07:19, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

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