Talk:Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori

Used by Daniel Webster 1830 Senate Floor Speech

Just looked up this quote since it appeared in the new book American Lion by Jon Meacham. This quote was used by Daniel Webster it was a rather moving/important speech on the Senate floor.

Quoted today?

is it really quoted today by military leaders? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Benson85 (talk • contribs) .

I would find that hard to believe; it is now pretty deeply associated with Owen's poem. --Saforrest 18:57, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

It's very common, particularly in the Commonwealth, for military members of all ranks, and people associated with the military, to quote it. I see it all the time. The entire quote, as well as its fragments and derivations, is also still used in the mottoes of regiments. In fact, it might be worth bearing in mind that military members are quite thoughtful, and are fully capable of simultaneously associating it with Horace *and* Owen, and still believing in the concept without cognitive dissonance. Just because it is a lie does not mean it does not have some value, particularly for soldiers. Sigma-6 (talk) 22:17, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Horace ironic?

It could also be that Horace was using irony, i. e. quoting military leaders of his time. He was very often ironic! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.162.82.95 (talk • contribs) .

I don't think that's how Horace's lines have been traditionally interpreted; see for example [1]. --Saforrest 18:58, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

POV re: Jessie Pope

I'm not sure describing Jessie Pope as having "limited talent" -although undubitably true - is really suitable for an encyclopedia? It's not objective.

Merge: Not

It seems to have been suggested that this article be merged with the article about "Dulce et Decorum Est" (The Poem by Wilfred Owens). Personally, I don't really see that as an appropriate merger. The complete phrase has quite the history of its own, whereas the poem has its own seperate meanings and history. The two are certainly related, but not to the point at which merging is appropriate. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.179.169.18 (talk • contribs) .

Agree against Merge; comment added also on Talk:Dulce et Decorum Est#Disambiguation? -- Deborahjay 22:34, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Oppose merger. logologist|Talk 00:09, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Don't merge the two. One has its origin in the other, but not visa versa. To merge the two would be very inappropriate.

• piling on, I would also not merge the two. Unless there are significant feelings otherwise, I'll take down the merge tag in a few days. -- phoebe/(talk) 04:26, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Translation

I could easily translate the article to german or create a german version of it. I'm new to wikipedia, as you can tell not registered yet. So my question is, how do I do it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.52.149.4 (talk) 21:05, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Latin Translaton

I have noticed a flaw in the translation giving a feminine connotation to the word "patria" which is properly translated "fatherland" rather than "mother country". I will alter it, barring protests to the opposite by those well-studied in Latin. 136.242.105.88 (talk) 02:13, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

" Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori, sed dulcius pro patria vivere, et dulcissimum pro patria bibere. Ergo, bibamus pro salute patriae"

Too bad this line from previous versions is no longer mentioned in the current article; I rather liked it.

83.119.101.171 (talk) 15:57, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

Brecht factoid

I really like the factoid about Brecht criticising it in a school essay - if anyone comes up with a citation for that it would be greatly appreciated. Apostrophemma (talk) 09:17, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

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Dulce et propia

William Manchester quotes that line in “Goodbye Darkness”, chapter: The Canal: a memoir of WWII in the Pacific. 2601:700:8003:26F0:0:0:0:421E (talk) 19:32, 27 January 2022 (UTC)