Talk:Dornier Do X

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I believe that the Do X was never flown or being used by Lufthansa F.bendik 11:57, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Substantial article of historical importance. Lacks references. MadMaxDog 08:58, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Final fate

Germany's original Do X was turned over to Lufthansa, the national airline, after the financially strapped Dornier Company could no longer operate it. After a successful 1932 tour of German coastal cities, Lufthansa planned a Do X flight to Vienna, Budapest, and Istanbul for 1933. The voyage ended after nine days when the plane's tail section tore off during a botched, over-steep landing on a reservoir lake near the city of Passau. While the fiasco was successfully covered up and the plane repaired, it was then flown to Berlin, where it became the centerpiece of Germany's new aviation museum in 1934.

I added {{Clarify me}} and {{Fact}} tags to the above because there is no cite for Berlin nor 1934 but there are sources for flying back to Bodensee and 2 years later of a transfer to Berlin.

I'm not familiar with this part of history, I have none of the source books, so all I can make is this summary from some googled cites. It seems this needs to be clarified by someone with actual books and not from Google Books snippets.

1933 May 9 tail section lost landing on reservoir near Passau

1933 remained in Heining west Passau for several weeks where it was repaired with difficulty in the open

1933 September 5: Wagner flies it back to Bodensee

1933 after 9 May it made a few further flights

1933 dismantled in Travemünde, transported to the Deutsche Luftfahrtsammlung Berlin, a precursor to the Deutschen Technikmuseums Berlin, where it was eventually exhibited

1934 in museum, but which?

1934 October taken out of service by the Reich Air Ministry (RLM = Reichsluftfahrtministerium)

1936 transferred to the Berliner-Luftfahrt museum

1936 June the DO X was the central feature in the Museum at its opening

1943 November damaged by WWII bomb

After WWII ended, destroyed by metal-scavengers and trophy-hunters

Today only a few metal pieces and one wooden propeller remain, plus the tail section

Citations:

References:

• Jörg-Michael Hormann (2008-05-17), Anfang vom Ende des ersten "Jumbo" (PDF) (in German), Starnberger Merkur, p. 9, retrieved 2009-05-03
• Zeitschrift des Vereins für Lübeckische Geschichte und Altertumskunde (in German), M. Schmidt-Römhild., 2006, retrieved 2009-05-26
• Szigeti, Marton (1999-05-10), DORNIER DO X: LEGENDARY FLYING BOAT, FLUG REVUE, Ubierstr. 83, 53173 Bonn, Germany, retrieved 2009-05-26, From page 16 of FLUG REVUE 6/99
• Dornier Do X (in German), Editors of German Wikipedia, 2009-05-14, retrieved 2009-05-26

84user (talk) 19:57, 26 May 2009 (UTC) I added more details. 84user (talk) 21:04, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Passenger record for 20 years

Presently the article says: "In order to satisfy skeptics, on its 70th test flight on October 21st there were 169 souls on board;[1] 150 passengers (mostly production workers and their families, and a few journalists), 10 aircrew and 9 "stowaways", who did not hold tickets. The flight broke the then world record for the number of persons carried on a single flight, a record that was not broken for another 15 years."

In fact, the record that was not broken for another 20 years, by the US military transporter R6V_Constitution. Epsiloner (talk) 13:21, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Here a source for this claim (SPIEGEL online): http://einestages.spiegel.de/static/topicalbumbackground/4757/groessenwahn_hoch_x.html Unfortunately the article is in German, but it also has 20 nice photographs of the Do X. Epsiloner (talk) 13:27, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the source, I have added it as an inline citation.

The main source for the article, was a seven column whole page spread on the Do-X for the Starnberg's regional newspaper, weekend issue 17/18 May 2008, number 114. The PDF of that page, "Starnberger Merkur 17.Mai 2008 Lokales.pdf", was hosted by http://zeppelin-bis-airbus.de/ but the link now returns 404 and the site itself requires a ispCP Omega login. The Internet Archive reports the site's robots.txt prevents it keeping a copy. A copy of the PDF still remains on my PC but I will slowly replace some cites with page 16 from the English language FLUG REVUE 1999 that is still-online at http://www.flug-revue.rotor.com/FRheft/FRH9906/FR9906d.htm . -84user (talk) 15:54, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Dornier Museum video

I added the 5 minute 14 second video Historische Aufnahmen der Dornier Do X on YouTube as a reference for some inline citations. In case it is of interest for others here are some key points from the film.

Minutes	Seconds	Duration	Notes
0	0	10	Dornier aircraft sketches
0	10	12	Doriner DO X specifications
0	24	6	Still photos of a possible one to one scale model
0	30	15	Still photos, start of planning, film clip of factory on Bodensee
0	45	25	240 thousand work hours, film of DO-X in water, "will it fly?", doubts
1	12	21	engineer in control room, 1929-06-12 first flight
1	33	5	Test pilot Richard Wagner
1	38	18	12 Jupiter motors, measuring air speed
1	56	5	Record: flew with 170 people on board
2	14	10	Unsatisfactory Jupiter motor performance: upgraded with more powerful water cooled Curtis motors, each 640 HP
2	25	15	cross-section diagram: 3 decks; photo cockpit; films: machine room; man crawling along tunnel (inside wing?); radio room and rotating circular antenna
2	40	15	main deck with seats for 66 people, dining tables, branded porcelain "Dekoration von Marcel Dornier Langenargen" "Gräf & Krippner Selb Bavaria"; menu with seven white wines followed by red wine list
2	57	10	passenger facilities: onboard telephone, typewriter. Upholstered furniture
3	08	3	man lies down on seat folded flat
3	12	6	fuel tanks in the underdeck 23 thousand litres capacity
3	20	26	1930-11-05 DO-X starts its Europaflug including Holland, England, France, Spain and Portugal; film clips of machine room, pilot at wheel, stranded ship
3	46	12	map of route Rio to New York, 22 days with 10 landings and "visiting" flights included
3	58	35	British Movietone title card "DO-X REACHES END OF LONG VOYAGE", behind and at Statue of Liberty with escort aircraft, landing
4	34	10	Coney Island boat Sea Gate Route, American newspaper headlines, people fascinated, film of DO-X with flags, people on wing
4	56	10	Photo of group on New York City Hall steps: mayor welcomes the crew
5	06	8	After much overhaul and over-wintering in New York, the DO-X flies back to Europe, and then to Berlin

-84user (talk) 00:59, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

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Substantial article of historical importance. Lacks references. MadMaxDog 08:58, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

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"X"

Is that the letter 'X' or the Roman Numeral 'X'? 104.153.40.58 (talk) 21:18, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

The letter. It's part of letter designation series. BilCat (talk) 21:41, 16 July 2023 (UTC)