Talk:Demetrius of Pharos

Origin

Megistias again has misused sources to make pointy edits. Attempting to present Demetrius as an ancient Greek he has even used Barthold Georg Niebuhr an outdated source. Most sources refer to him as Illyrian while there has been suggested that he may have been half-Greek.--— ZjarriRrethues — ^talk 22:23, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

WP Albania

This person is important in the History of Illyria and we study him in Albania. Please don't remove WP Albania tag anymore. --Sulmues ^(talk) 13:29, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

The fact that you study him in Albania is irrelevant with the tag (what kind of argument is this? he also studied in the US) So please avoid this childish tag war. I've replaced the anachronistic and geographically wrong wpsq tag with wp:Illyria instead. Alexikoua (talk) 13:37, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

I put it in Albania WP watchlist so that you are happy. Btw, we're going to tag WP Albania all the WP Illyria articles pretty soon. The WP Illyria for now is dead, no one is active. --Sulmues ^(talk) 16:34, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Why does the Albanian WP automatically assume responsibilty of Illyria articles when the Illyria WP is not active? If you're interested in improving the Illyria articles, then join that WP. --Local hero ^talk 16:38, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

I already am a member, but the WP is very still. And no, WP Albania doesn't automatically cover for WP Illyria. I asked in WP Albania if there will be any consensus that WP Albania takes also responsibility on WP Illyria, until WP Illyria is again active. It seems though that I am also alone in WP Albania, because nobody has responded to me. Probably people are thinking it over. We are kind of a lazy WikiProject. Megistias has pretty much done most of the job in Illyrian related articles: the only Albanian contributor active on Illyrian articles is Zjarri. I find it unlikely that Illyria be covered by anybody in the next future, though, we don't even have an assessment box for that: how do we track things? Even WP Albania before April 2010 was a disaster of a WikiProject and I still think we are slow: WP Illyria IMO should be tracked by Albanians and every country where Illyrians have lived, otherwise the articles will be poor.--Sulmues ^(talk) 16:50, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

@Sulmues this is not a place for territorial expansion. Illyria/Illyrians isn't the same with Albania/Albanians.Alexikoua (talk) 21:08, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

@Alexikoua, so do me a favor and get WP Greece out, because Greece was created in the 19th century, and has nothing to do with Demetrius. --Sulmues ^(talk) 22:03, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Please calm down. Just check the article, he was possibly Greek or Illyrian, both tags are present here.Alexikoua (talk) 22:45, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

I am very calm, but you shouldn't feel entitled to remove WP banners just because you think that they are unrelated. Even if he were 100% Greek, 2100 years ago, those people probably are completely unrelated to the Greeks of today, so your placing of the WP Greece might be as far fetched than the placing of the WP Albania. In addition, please get familiar with Wikipedia:WikiProject_Council/Guide/WikiProject#Define_the_scope. The scope of a wikiproject can be as wide as decided by its members. If the members of WP Albania want to cover Albanians, bugs, and midgets, that's where their banner is going to be: on articles with Albanians, bugs, and midgets, as simple as that: it all depends on the will of the members of a wikiproject. IMO WP Albania should cover Albanians and Illyrias, but I'm not alone and it's not only up to me what the scope of WPSQ will be, there are other 50 members in that wikiproject, so I'll just wait for a consensus there. --Sulmues ^(talk) 22:52, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Generalized discussions should take place somewhere else. Till then please do not place wpsq tags on Illyrian related articles.Alexikoua (talk) 23:20, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

(unindent)Demetrius of Pharos should be included in WPSQ because he ruled over areas of modern Albania.--— ZjarriRrethues — ^talk 09:59, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

This seems reasonable to me. Why shouldn't this article be of appropriate interest to the Wikiproject Albania? Paul August ☎ 15:59, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Because Alexikoua thinks that the world can't know whether Albanians descended from the Illyrians or from the moon. Zjarri's argument is good enough for me though, and since he is the only person active in WP Albania, I'll interpret that as a consensus from WP Albania. Placed banner back. --Sulmues ^(talk) 16:36, 5 August 2010 (UTC) Btw Albanian historians see Demetrius as a traitor of the Illyrian cause, it's kind of our Loukas Vagias. --Sulmues ^(talk) 16:38, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

I'd rather Alexikoua speak for himself. Paul August ☎ 17:08, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

I wonder why the typical 'team' ignores the rest of wp tags that are related with the region, I've added wp:Croatia&Montenegro, since he was active on these regions too. Also the low-level arguments that Albanians=Illyrians has become really tiresome.Alexikoua (talk) 08:23, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Fine with me that Montenegro be added. For the last sentence, just to precise: Illyrians --->>>Albanians. --Sulmues ^(talk) 16:32, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Possible confusion

I found what seems to be an error under the section The Second Illyrian War, in the sentence "Next the Romans moved against Demetrius on the island of Pharos, who awaited the attack with good troops, ample provisions an war materials behind strong fortifications, that of the city of Issa at modern Stari Grad." I believe that Issa is modern Vis (town) rather than Stari Grad, Croatia which appears to be on another island. Thank you. SchreiberBike (talk) 22:35, 3 February 2012 (UTC)