Talk:De La Salle Lady Booters football

Requested move 25 August 2022

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Moved per consensus garnered below. Thanks and kudos to editors for your input; good health to all! P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^put'r there 16:46, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

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• DLSU Lady Booters → De La Salle Lady Booters football
• FEU Lady Tamaraw Booters → FEU Lady Tamaraw Booters football
• UST Lady Booters → UST Lady Booters football
• UP Lady Booters → UP Lady Booters football
• Zobel Lady Junior Archers (football) → Zobel Lady Junior Archers football

– Standardizing Philippine college and high school varsity teams naming. For De La Salle University teams, currently usage is spelling out "De La Salle" as in "De La Salle Green Archers". The Philippines is not in scope of WP:CBBALL and WP:CFB, but there's no reason not to follow their naming guidelines, as the idea was copied from the U.S. Howard the Duck (talk) 22:04, 25 August 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. – robertsky (talk) 15:45, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. GiantSnowman 19:40, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
• Support per nom. GiantSnowman 19:41, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

If we are going to copy the US naming template (University default moniker + "women's soccer") why not...?

• DLSU Lady Booters → De La Salle Green Archers women's football
• FEU Lady Tamaraw Booters → FEU Tamaraws women's football
• UST Lady Booters → UST Growling Tigers women's football
• UP Lady Booters → UP Fighting Maroons women's football
• Zobel Lady Junior Archers (football) → Zobel Junior Archers women's football

Hariboneagle927 (talk) 07:56, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

Because almost call US women's varsity teams have identical names with their male counterparts. For example: the Kentucky Wildcats refers to both men's and women's teams from any sport. The women's teams aren't the "Lady Wildcats". Therefore to distinguish, they add the word "men's" or "women's". For example, the men's basketball team is at "Kentucky Wildcats men's basketball", while the women's basketball team is at "Kentucky Wildcats women's basketball". There are a few exceptions to this: this naming convention is derived from the Hawaii Rainbow Warriors and Rainbow Wahine. The men's basketball team is at "Hawaii Rainbow Warriors basketball" (notice no "men's"), while the women's team is at "Hawaii Rainbow Wahine basketball" (again, notice no "women's").

In the Philippines except for the Ateneo de Manila Blue Eagles recently, every gender has a derived nickname from the men's team, but not identical to it. For example, the "UP Fighting Maroons" are the men's basketball team, and the "UP Lady Maroons" are the women's basketball team. If specific articles are to be made about those teams, it should be at "UP Fighting Maroons basketball" and "UP Lady Maroons basketball". Furthermore, most sports teams, again excepting Ateneo, have a sport specific name. For example, the "UST Golden Sox" are UST's baseball team (no women's baseball; they play softball), while the "De La Salle Lady Spikers" are De La Salle's women's volleyball team. One counterargument is you can drop the sport if there is a sport-specific nickname like the ones nominated above, except for "DLSU Lady Booters" that will go to "De La Salle Lady Booters", and "Zobel Lady Junior Archers (football)" going to "Zobel Lady Junior Archers football". Finally, touching on the Zobel move, most sports teams except Ateneo, have age-specific nicknames, and within those, gender-specific nicknames and sometimes sports-specific ones. Examples are "San Beda Red Cubs" and "UST Lady Cubs". Howard the Duck (talk) 13:43, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

From my understanding there is a "default" nickname which usually coincides of what the basketball team uses. The colleges have more specific nicknames depending on the sport (for football its "Booters") and gender (for the women's teams they add "Lady"). Tiebreaker Times and the PFF have used "Lady Archers" for the DLSU team.

In short, I would be open to moving the pages without the "women" (ex DLSU Lady Booters → De La Salle Lady Archers football) since "booters" and "football" in the same article name would be redundant. Hariboneagle927 (talk) 05:53, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

AFAIK, if there's a sport-specifix nickname, the "primary nickname" is either ommitted or modified. See for example the current title of this article (La Salle's women's football and volleyball teams are, AFAIK, not called "Lady Archers"; these are more apparent to their successful women's volleyball team, which are never referred to as the "Lady Archers" even in WP:RS.). So either we add the sport name or not if there is a sport-specific nickname. Adding the sport name does make it consistent for everyone, makes it recognizable as not everyone knows what a Spiker, Woodpusher, Tanker, Batter and Booter is; I won't oppose ommiting the sport name tho if either of these nicknames are used. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Howard the Duck (talk • contribs)

Note: WikiProject Tambayan Philippines has been notified of this discussion. – robertsky (talk) 15:45, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

Also, no opposition on moving DLSU Lady Booters to De La Salle Lady Archers football as WP:RS presented uses this name for the team. Howard the Duck (talk) 21:11, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Women's teams that use "Lady Booters", second choice ditching "football":

• FEU Lady Tamaraw Booters → FEU Lady Tamaraw Booters (no move)
• UST Lady Booters → UST Lady Booters (no move)
• UP Lady Booters → UP Lady Booters (no move)

Women's teams that use the primary feminine version of their nickname:

• DLSU Lady Booters → De La Salle Lady Archers football
• Zobel Lady Junior Archers (football) → Zobel Lady Junior Archers football

My apprehension on ditching the sport name is it's not readily apparent what a "Spiker", "Booter", "Woodpusher" and "Tanker" is. Are they drug addicts, Imelda Marcos wannabes, (this term is not even readily apparent; Wiktionary says a "woodpusher" is a bad chess player), or a large land vehicle carrying gasoline? I'd imagine if football was the predominant sport in the country, we'd see terms such as "UST Slammers" or "UST Dribblers" or "UST Cagers". Howard the Duck (talk) 21:41, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Update: A parallel RM elsewhere had successfully moved "Ateneo Lady Blue Booters" to "Ateneo Blue Eagles women's football" (unlike other UAAP teams, Ateneo renamed all of their teams regardless of gender, sport or level as the "Ateneo Blue Eagles"). It's imperative that the articles in RM are moved to the originally suggested titles for consistency purposes. Howard the Duck (talk) 15:37, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

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