Talk:David Stewart of Garth
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 | On 6 June 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved from David Stewart (major-general) to David Stewart of Garth. The result of the discussion was moved. |
"a Major General in the Black Watch"
edit"Stewart was a Major General in the Black Watch regiment"
This statement is inaccurate, and a contradiction in terms. Nor does it reflect the cited source. Stewart's service with the 42nd Royal Highland Regiment ended in 1804, when he transferred to the 78th Highland Regiment, and he was only promoted Major General in the 1820s. In any case, Major General is a staff rank rather than a regimental commission so that one cannot be a Major General in any regiment. I shall redraft. JF42 (talk) 18:22, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
Requested move 6 June 2023
edit- The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) – MaterialWorks ping me! 00:10, 14 June 2023 (UTC)
David Stewart (major-general) → David Stewart of Garth – Seems to be what he's usually called, at least in everything I've been reading. Every source I've been working with on tartans and Highland dress calls him Stewart of Garth not just Stewart. So, this parenthetical disambiguation doesn't seem warranted. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 21:25, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose Garth is the name of a house and estate. There is no place, a settlement or area called Garth in Scotland. Conensus for naming was established in 2008 on this. scope_creepTalk 21:34, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
- It does seem that all sources refer to him by the name. The consensus that was decided that as landed gentry in Scotland were sometime named after house, sometimes after the estate, sometimes after a village owned by the family and sometimes it was something else, they're was no set pattern, so it decided to work on a case by case basis and the rank seemed to be important from sources. However, I notice even his statue is called Stewart of Garth, so I think it would be a good idea to change the name. scope_creepTalk 07:24, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
- Thank you for reconsidering. An argument like "Consensus for naming was established in 2008 on this" is not really a valid RM rationale, or it would never be possible to re-RM any page after it had been through a previous RM that reached a then-consensus. :-) — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 19:04, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
- It does seem that all sources refer to him by the name. The consensus that was decided that as landed gentry in Scotland were sometime named after house, sometimes after the estate, sometimes after a village owned by the family and sometimes it was something else, they're was no set pattern, so it decided to work on a case by case basis and the rank seemed to be important from sources. However, I notice even his statue is called Stewart of Garth, so I think it would be a good idea to change the name. scope_creepTalk 07:24, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
Date of Birth 1768 versus 1772
editThe original paragraph that gave the date of birth of 1 Jun 1772 cites the 1998 book by James Irvine Robertson, but omits the full sub title of that book on the front cover, which is: "MAJOR-GENERAL DAVID STEWART OF GARTH CB, 1768-1829". The dates 1768 and 1829 also appear on the back cover. I note that his dates are also given as 1768-1829 in the inscription on the statue of him erected at Kelneyburn in 1925 - see for example https://www.britainexpress.com/scotland/Tayside/properties/david-stewart-memorial.htm. It may be that the 1768 date is based on his stated age in some military record.
However, Robertson's text states at p.14: "David, our protagonist, was the third child of the marriage, probably being born at Kynachan in 1772." He notes that the records of the Episcopal Church - in which David may have been christened - vanished after it was suppressed as a result of the rebellion of 1745.
At pp. 17-18 of his book Robertson notes that David's father stated his age as "not yet full fourteen" when seeking an ensigncy for him on 28 April 1781, which implies a birth year of about 1768, but the boy David was most likely nine at the time, because "at least two children died between the birth of William in 1766 and David" so 1768 is an unlikely year of birth for him.
I have changed the date from 1 Jun 1772 to 12 April 1772 to agree with Robertson's note on p. 18 that "David had enjoyed his birthday on 12th April".