Talk:Child marriage in India

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I added the course banner. It would be good to start the conversation by posting question(s), discussing your ideas for improving this article. BerikG (talk) 15:47, 19 April 2012 (UTC)BerikG

Introduction

Hi all. I decided to create a new page for child marriage in India as opposed to adding to the existing general page on child marriage because I feel it is such a major issue in India. Is there anything you notice I'm missing and need to add? Any comments/suggestions are welcome! Chelseygruber (talk) 18:21, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Peer Review

Hi Chelsey, I think you can add an heading about patriarchal values, that are embedded in Indian society. Girl is considered burden by her parents, because they have to pay a "dowry" at the time of her wedding, and it costs lot of money to her parents. Consider the fact that child marriage is more common among poor folks in India, younger the girl is less dowry needs to be paid, the demand of dowry increases with the age of a bride, so this is one of the cardinal aspect of child marraige. Moreover, you can discuss about the economic structure and how it affects child marriage, i.e. in rural India, folks primarliy depend on agriculture, so child marriage is one of the source for the boy's family to add a laborer in their family. Dkhan2012 (talk) 22:04, 24 April 2012 (UTC)Dkhan2012

Response

I really liked your introduction to the article and how it covers the basics before jumping into the whole article. I am curious of how this is possible to do before the contents. Also the picture that you pasted really seems to engage the reader (at least me) in the article. I would also like to post a picture in my article, however I was not sure it there would be a problem with me posting a picture that I found in Google images. Any suggests. Well back to your review (sorry for the sidetrack) I was really impressed with the article that you posted within Wikipedia. Looking at many other peoples articles from this class to compare I have not seen one this well done. I really felt as I read your article, that it was exactly as it should have been. I do not feel that there are any revisions that you need to do and the posting is both sufficient and engaging as I read it!!! Great Job!!! Brendanrow (talk) 02:28, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

Peer review

I think the article is very well written.I am impressed.You could expand more on the economic structure and how and what kind of culture in India forces child marriage.if it is possible you could aslo expand a little more on the complications(lack of education decreases economic and also National development ) and the health hazards of child marriage.All in all great job.Also, you could add how child marriage helps the boys family or the mother in law to trnafer the household work on to the newly wed daughter in law. This is just a suggestion take it or leave it.Dr deshmukhe (talk) 05:08, 25 April 2012 (UTC).Dr deshmukhe (talk) 03:55, 25 April 2012 (UTC).

Thanks

Thank you all for your comments. I considered adding in something about dowries, and I actually did not know that the dowry amount increases with age. As far as posting the picture, someone else did that for me, and I'm not sure how to do it... Sorry! I really like the suggestion about how child marriage forces the new bride to do all of the housework as opposed to her husband. Thank you again! Chelseygruber (talk) 15:07, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

Refinement

In the lead paragraph (and later when you present statistics) add the year. For example, change in caps as follows: "According to UNICEF, IN YEAR 47% of girls IN INDIA WERE married by 18 years of age, and 18% WERE married by 15 years of age." BerikG (talk) 22:18, 29 April 2012 (UTC)BerikG

Gujarat High Court Ruling

Muslim girl can marry once she completes 15 yrs of age: Gujarat High Court Muslim girl can marry when she attains puberty or completes 15 years of age, the Gujarat High Court has said. The court made the observation while quashing legal proceedings under the Prohibition of Child Marriage Act against a Muslim youth who had married a 17-year-old girl of his community.

Justice J B Pardiwala in the order passed on December 2 said that according to the Muslim Personal Law, a Muslim girl, if she attains puberty or completes the age of 15 years, is "competent" to get married.
"It is not in dispute that the boy and girl both are Muslims. According to the Personal Law of Muslims, the girl no sooner than she attains the puberty or completes 15 years, whichever is earlier, is competent to get married without the consent of her parents," the order said. 
The court gave the judgement in connection with a plea filed by a Surat-based youth Yusuf Lokhat seeking to set aside the charge sheet filed against him in a that city's court under several sections of Prohibition of Child Marriage Act, 2006. 
"It appears that the parents of the girl have also now accepted the marriage. The man and his wife both are personally present in the Court. They confirm about their marriage. The girl submits that she is happily residing with her husband at her matrimonial home. Having regard to the peculiar facts of the case, in my view, no case is made out to prosecute the criminal proceedings further," the order said. 
As per the case details, Lokhat married a 17-year-old girl from his community in February this year. Following the marriage, the girl's father, who was initially against the marriage, wrote to a Superintendent of the 'Children Home for Girls' in Surat, who had initiated legal proceedings against the boys and other three persons known to the boy 

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/muslim-girl-can-marry-once-she-completes-15-yrs-of-age-gujarat-high-court/articleshow/45390241.cms — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ramnath61 (talk • contribs) 21:29, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

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Constant removal of content

I read this article a few hours back and have been seeing that a lot of content has been removed in the past day. This is despite the edits seemingly being well-sourced. MonsterHunter32 (talk) 16:32, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

I have rewritten the best I could with reliable sources to stop any edit-warring between editors. I guess these articles can become controversial. It is better to include all viewpoints as long as they are of scholarly experts. MonsterHunter32 (talk) 20:46, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

There was much promotion of non-notable "ithoughtindia", and this promotion is not allowed in Wikipedia and the editor had been warned.[1] Since POV language has been used and available snippets of these two old journals,[2][3] does not support the content and the IP falsely claimed that "statement is from NYTimes"[4] when such statements only existed on Wikipedia. There was much copyvio from a Google book, and insertion of a non-English category that doesn't exist. That's why I reverted the whole. But with your revert you have added all of it back. You need to add quotes to verify objected information. Raymond3023 (talk) 05:08, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

More removal of content

A lot of content in the Origin and causes of child marriage section seems to have been removed recently. This information appears to be well-sourced and there doesn't seem to be much reason for its removal.

I've reverted these edits. Weakit (talk) 07:19, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

Changes made to Origin and causes of child marriage

Greetings. The first paragraph of origin and causes was not reflective to the citation. "Sociologists say the Gujjars and similar groups" was simplified as "sociologist have attributed". the exclusion of the "gujjar" part changes it to the view being same all across the nation The entire premise of invaders raping has been shown as a historical fact instead of it being grounded in legends as the original NYtimes article said. I request other contributors to reflect on the changes made and even revert it if is not found true to the original Signing off in good faithNotPixel (talk) 08:19, 11 May 2021 (UTC)NotPixel

Neutrality of the article

Due to an ongoing RfC at Talk:Narendra Modi#RfC: Mentioning of Narendra Modi's marriage, there possibly seems to be POV edits made to this article. Requesting editors with good knowledge into this article to verify and resolve the issues. -- DaxServer (talk) 12:41, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

I've NPOV's some text, which seemed to be glossing over the fact that according to the Child Marriage Restraint Act of 1929, in 1968, when the Modis were married, the minimum age of marriage in India for females was 15, not 18. It was increased to 18 in 1978, eight years after the marriage. I have also removed the Origins and History of Child Marriage in India which seemed to be laying the blame for the custom of child marriage among Hindus squarely on the Muslims and other "invaders" who raped and assaulted Hindu women. In actual fact, Child Marriage and attendant forms of subordination of women have been a part of Hinduism from the get-go. Here are some references:

• Dyson, Tim (2018), A Population History of India: From the First Modern People to the Present Day, Oxford University Press, p. 20, ISBN 978-0-19-882905-8, Therefore, by the time of the Mauryan Empire the position of women in mainstream Indo-Aryan society seems to have deteriorated. Customs such as child marriage and dowry were becoming entrenched; and a young women's purpose in life was to provide sons for the male lineage into which she married. To quote the Arthashāstra: 'wives are there for having sons'. Practices such as female infanticide and the neglect of young girls were possibly also developing at this time, especially among higher caste people. Further, due to the increasingly hierarchical nature of the society, marriage was possibly becoming an even more crucial institution for childbearing and the formalization of relationships between groups. In turn, this may have contributed to the growth of increasingly instrumental attitudes towards women and girls (who moved home at marriage). It is important to note that, in all likelihood, these developments did not affect people living in large parts of the subcontinent—such as those in the south, and tribal communities inhabiting the forested hill and plateau areas of central and eastern India. That said, these deleterious features have continued to blight Indo-Aryan speaking areas of the subcontinent until the present day.
• Stein, Burton (2010), A History of India, John Wiley & Sons, pp. 90–, ISBN 978-1-4443-2351-1, STATUS OF WOMEN DECLINES: Darkness can be said to have pervaded one aspect of society during the inter-imperial centuries: the degradation of women. ... The positions taken and the practices discussed by Manu and the other commentators and writers of dharmashastra are not quaint relics of the distant past, but alive and recurrent in India today – as the attempts to revive the custom of sati (widow immolation) in recent decades has shown. Child marriage, forced marriage, dowry and the expectation of abject wifely subservience, too, have enjoyed lengthy duration and continuity and are proving very difficult to stamp out.
• Ramusack, Barbara N. (1999), "Women in South Asia", in Barbara N. Ramusack, Sharon L. Sievers (ed.), Women in Asia: Restoring Women to History, Indiana University Press, pp. 27–29, ISBN 0-253-21267-7, The legal rights, as well as the ideal images, of women were increasingly circumscribed during the Gupta era. The Laws of Manu, compiled from about 200 to 400 C.E., came to be the most prominent evidence that this era was not necessarily a golden age for women. Through a combination of legal injunctions and moral prescriptions, women were firmly tied to the patriarchal family, ... Thus the Laws of Manu severely reduced the property rights of women, recommended a significant difference in ages between husband and wife and the relatively early marriage of women, and banned widow remarriage. Manu's preoccupation with chastity reflected possibly a growing concern for the maintenance of inheritance rights in the male line, a fear of women undermining the increasingly rigid caste divisions, and a growing emphasis on male asceticism as a higher spiritual calling.

If someone has the time, they could rewrite that section with the new more reliable references. I, unfortunately, do not right now. Best regards, Fowler&fowler«Talk» 13:03, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

Vandalism

The page has been thoroughly vandalised by Hindu nationalists. They've turned a page about an Indian topic into a low-quality page bashing a single community. Badshah Tipu (talk) 15:55, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

Expired statistics data

The statistics data are obsolete in the present situation 72.2.40.66 (talk) 15:40, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

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