Talk:Chams

Uncited

I found this within the article and noticed that it wasn't properly cited or lacked a citation--would anyone know the point of reference? I looked online but the only thing that was word for word or even similar was from a Facebook page of someone.

"In the 1960s various movements emerged calling for the creation of a separate Cham state in Vietnam. The Liberation Front of Champa (FLC – Le Front pour la Libération de Cham) and the Front de Libération des Hauts plateaux dominated. The latter group sought greater alliance with other hilltribe minorities." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Monruv (talk • contribs) 08:23, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

The sentence beginning, "In the 1960s..." is found verbatim on a blog associated with a tattoo parlor. Hardly what I'd call a RS. Dgndenver (talk) 20:51, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

History sections

I think the section names used in the History chapter need some work, they often don't really reflect the paragraphs below or include a lot of other information. At other times, the information is not very chronological. Does anyone else agree? Glennznl (talk) 09:48, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

Agree, some of the information needs to be reorganized. There is also considerable overlap with History of Champa, so much of the first sub-sections can be trimmed and given a main-hatnote to History of Champa. –Austronesier (talk) 14:34, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

@Austronesier: I just shuffled the content and made some better sections. I did not delete or move anything yet. There is overlap with both History of Champa, History of the Cham–Vietnamese wars and Champa. We will need to take a close look on how to clean it all up. Glennznl (talk) 15:53, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

@Austronesier: the Martial art section looks extremely dubious and low quality to me. I think it would be best to remove it, do you agree? Glennznl (talk) 16:00, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

@Glennznl: Forgot to answer...yes, I agree. Even if parts of it are valid, this is undue here, and only merits a mention in Silat#Minangkabau. It is quite understandable that Indonesian and Malaysian editors are interested in Cham/Champa-related topics, but sometimes forget that information about the Cham needs to be significant on its own, and not just because it is interesting from a Indonesian/Malaysian perspective. –Austronesier (talk) 11:06, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

@Austronesier: I found the same material under Pencak_silat#Minangkabau, so no knowledge is lost from Wiki in that regard. Glennznl (talk) 11:39, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

@Austronesier, Glennznl, and Enilseine: This section also claims that the ancestors of the Chams were from South Asia, rather than Southeast Asia. Is this an error? Jarble (talk) 02:01, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

@Jarble: Well, that's quite a hodgepodge of modern solid scholarship and weird outdated musing which goes back to this edit[1]. I suggest to restore the earlier version of the paragraph. Maybe it should be revised to be less Austronesian-focused, and also mention the fact that Chamic culture is a blend of maritime Austronesian and mainland Austrasiatic elements, as witnessed from linguistic and extra-linguistic evidence. –Austronesier (talk) 21:23, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

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What is Chams costume?

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Cham people's role in the Vietnam War

There are some inaccuracy regarding North Vietnam's relations with ethnic minorities. While it is true that North Vietnam were advantaged by past connection of imperial Vietnamese dynasties, the Cham people were not pro-Vietnamese and organizations like FULRO and Champa Liberation Front both proclaimed their open anti-Vietnamese, regardless North or South. It is necessary to pay attention. HiddenFace101 (talk) 09:43, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Missing men

This article has several images of ethnic Cham women in traditional clothes or doing traditional Cham dances but absolutely none of any male ethnic Cham, perhaps someone close to the regions where the Cham live can photograph a few men and boys in traditional Cham clothes and add them to this article. --Donald Trung (talk) 23:28, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 11 March 2024

The article refers to Utsul as a language spoken by Cham people. This is just factually wrong. Utsul or Utsat is also known as "Hainan Cham," but the speakers of this language are NOT Cham. They are "Huihui" or "Utsul" people, who are Chamic, but NOT Cham. The reference to Utsul needs to be removed. JaLikei (talk) 19:07, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Jamedeus (talk) 19:19, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 8 June 2024

Please move the 22nd reference to the attributions needed flag in the paragraph about the Cham creation myth as it contains the attribution TheSourFish (talk) 23:05, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

 Done P,TO 19104 (talk) (contribs) 22:32, 17 June 2024 (UTC)