Talk:Cautley Spout

Highest or not

Can anyone find a reliable source stating it's the highest in England? I haven't been able to. I removed the weasel words in the intro but think, in the absence of anything citable being found, that it should be changed soon to read merely that it's one of the highest. Rivertorch (talk) 22:24, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

I think you'll find that Cautley Spout is 198 feet (60 metres), not 198 metres. The waterfall down Gaping Gill is certainly the highest in England at 340 feet (103 metres) and is a single unbroken fall, but is underground. Devon claims that their Canonteign falls are the highest in England at 220 feet (66 metres) however that is still a lot short of Gaping gill and is in any case a series of waterfalls rather than a single fall like GG or a cascade like Cautley. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.43.10.234 (talk) 22:57, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the info. What we need is a good reliable source for the article. Rivertorch (talk) 05:47, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

No, Gaping Gill is the highest unbroken drop underground and Hardraw Force is the highest unbroken drop above ground. Cascade waterfalls are a problem because it is unclear which bits are part of the cascade, but the Spout is widely claimed to be the highest single cascade. See [1] for example. Somewhere, I have my GPS track from last time I climbed up there, so I'll check the exact height (though that would be OR, of course). Dbfirs 23:31, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Firstly, Cautley Spout is definitely 198 m tall, not 198 feet - that's absurd.

Beyond that, it's more complicated. The tallest single section of Cautley Spout is 76 m, which is obviously much greater than Hardraw Force. The complication is that virtually all water passing over Hardraw Force unambiguously falls ~30 m, whereas at low flows some of the water passing over the tall section of Cautley Spout falls shorter distances between ledges and only some falls the full 76m in one drop. At moderately high flows, though, it's clear that most water falling over this section of Cautley Spout does so in a single drop. Ministry (talk) 09:48, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

There is no correct way to determine "highest waterfall" because there are lots of differing definitions. Can you count Malham Cove that flowed only on December 6th this year? We can only report what is claimed elsewhere, and the English Lakes website makes the claim. Dbfirs 10:11, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

The source you cite says the tallest single stage of Cautley Force is 76 m (250 feet) tall, which is much greater than Hardraw Force! Sorted ;)

No, I wouldn't include rarely-flowing waterfalls, but to clarify (though I don't have documentary proof, so won't insist on it!), water doesn't fall 76m over the tall stage of Cautley Spout only occasionally: it happens all the time. The complication is that some water clings to the rock face at the same time as some falls the full distance. Ministry (talk) 13:01, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

No, Cautley Spout is a cascade waterfall. It has no single drop anywhere near 76 metres. Hardrow is the highest genuine single-drop above ground, though Gaping Gill is the tallest underground. I've been up and down all three. Dbfirs 16:57, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

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