Talk:Catholic Church in Australia

Needs expansion - currntly about the denomination & structure

This article as it stands is not largely about Roman Catholicism in Australia, it is about the Roman Catholic Church in Australia and its structure. An article on Roman Catholicism in Australia should at least address

• History
• Demographics
• engagement with broader Australian society

Paul foord 08:43, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

'Roman' Catholic?

I'm not too sure that the Maronite, Chaldean and Melkite Catholics would be too pleased to see the title of this article being the "Roman Catholic Church in Australia"! If you aren't too sure what I am talking about, see the Terminology seciton in the article Catholic Church. I would like some more feedback before moving Roman Catholic Church in Australia to 'Catholic Church in Australia'. Thanks Ghfj007 11:13, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Ghfj007 I'm a Latin and even I'm sick of being called "Roman"... Deus vult! Crusadestudent (talk) 01:02, 14 May 2016 (UTC)

Church Resources

There is a charitable trust established by the Australian bishops known as Church Resources. Perhaps it could be mentioned in the current entry. [1] ADM (talk) 08:07, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Article name issues

I have moved the article name back to "Roman Catholicism in Australia" for a number of reasons:

• 1. The recent move was should have been discussed first. If there is to be a potentially contentious name change of this kind then discussion and consensus is required.

• 2. The name "Roman Catholicism in Australia" is consistent with other similar articles.

• 3. Equating "Catholicism" with the Roman Catholic Church is a POV as the term also applies to other Christian traditions.

• 4. The Roman Catholic Church includes both the Latin Church and the Eastern Catholic Churches. The view that "Roman Catholic" only refers to the Latin Church is incorrect (see the Roman Catholic (term) article).

As stated above, if we are to change the article's name then discussion and consensus is required. Anglicanus (talk) 01:53, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

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Requested move 14 May 2016

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Moved — JFG ^talk 11:46, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

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Roman Catholicism in Australia → Catholic Church in Australia – To be in line with main page rename to Catholic Church, and in agreement with Ghfj007's comments in discussion above. Deus vult! Crusadestudent (talk) 01:07, 14 May 2016 (UTC)

• Support, per consistency argument. Gulangyu (talk) 17:03, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

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Apostolic delegates

Should there be some mention of Apostolic delegates here? I keep encountering one of them, Bartholomew Cattaneo, in my research into various topics, but he has no article and I am a little reluctant to try to create one without understanding where apostolic delegates fit into the scheme of things. Kerry (talk) 22:03, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

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This claim needs to be substantiated.

The conservative commentator, Gerard Henderson, claimed that evidence was presented to the Royal Commission into child abuse that children were safer in Catholic schools than other religious schools. This claim needs to be substantiated from an independent source, preferably from the Royal Commission. Michael Glass (talk) 00:35, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

Why? It's published in a reliable source. Is it presented as editorial material? The opinion has been attributed to Henderson. I removed the word "claim" because it was not neutral. Why do you require a standard that Wikipedia does not? Elizium23 (talk) 00:48, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

I must say that an assertion that something is "safer" than something else is an opinion-based claim and not something that would be "substantiated" proved or disproved. So I would say that attributing it to Henderson and leaving it be is the only thing that can be done here. Elizium23 (talk) 01:02, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

Certainly it's something that is stated. I would still like to see what was put to the Royal Commission. The Royal Commission's findings certainly pointed to great failings in the churches and other institutions that ran counter to this claim. See, for example, https://catholicoutlook.org/the-catholic-church-response-to-the-royal-commission/ Michael Glass (talk) 21:48, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

By the way, in case you did not see Talk:Gerard Henderson, I needed to remove the partisan descriptions of him, because I could find no reliable secondary source basis for calling him "rightwing" or "conservative" so neither can we in other articles (Wikipedia is not a reliable source.) Elizium23 (talk) 01:37, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

Gerard Henderson is described as a conservative commentator here: https://www.news.com.au/technology/environment/climate-change/abcs-insiders-program-ends-with-snide-swipe-at-teenage-activist-greta-thunberg/news-story/4b66071882839d6de96b5ad2bab10972 and also here in a more scholarly context. https://trove.nla.gov.au/work/39496298?q&versionId=52350089 "This article assesses Gerard Henderson's work and ideas. Henderson mainly contributed to Australian conservatism with a concern for social justice and feels that government plays a vital role in securing the conditions for freedom. This article identifies Henderson's vision for Australian society and evaluates how well he achieves his aims. The article also takes Henderson's conservatism seriously, treating his ideas as a coherent philosophical statement worthy of analysis."

As you can see from this quotation, this takes it for granted that Gerard Henderson is a conservative commentator. It's descriptive rather than partisan in an Australian context. Michael Glass (talk) 22:26, 10 December 2019 (UTC)