Talk:Capture of Klisura Pass

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The article's first line has been changed without a reason, while it is in main page dyk section. There is still an open spi case about User:Stupidus Maximus, who made this disruptive edit, with a block being very likely.Alexikoua (talk) 22:06, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

All the sources used in this article refer to the pass as Klisoura or Kleisoura. None of them refer to it as Kelcyre. We should stick with the nomenclature used in the article's sources.Athenean (talk) 22:37, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

The Kelcyra Pass is nothing else but the Kelcyre George, but for now the article includes its Byzantine name in the sources. When we'll have some other sources with Kelcyre Gorge, than it will be safe to change the name of the article. Please do not bully the newcomers. I sent a message to Stupidus to revert himself. If he won't be around, I'll revert his edit.--_Sulmues ^{Let's talk} 23:56, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Actually I just found one source (Pearson, which you Greeks hate) that says Kelcyre Gorge [1]. For now I think it's safe to keep it this way, but it'll be Kelcyre Gorge as soon as some more books are published. Klisura Pass is just a Byzantine name used by Greek sources and then copied by English sources. --_Sulmues ^{Let's talk} 00:12, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Do note that this article is about the battle, not the gorge itself. If there existed an article about the gorge, the Albanian name should be used there, but this article is a different story. Athenean (talk) 00:18, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

I understand but the source I provided (Pearson) is talking specifically about the battle, not the canyon. However I made the revert, hopefully you're going to feel better now. --_Sulmues ^{Let's talk} 00:41, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Well, per established WP practice, we ought to use the name that is most common and most relevant. For instance, we have the Battle of Adrianople (1913) and not the Battle of Edirne (as some Turkish editors suggested) because that is the most common name in English. Since this article is about a battle fought between Greeks and Italians, the name used by them is the most pertinent, even if there is an Albanian name for the pass. Battles are named by the people who took part in them, which is not always the same as the people in whose country the battle was fought. As for Pearson, he mentions the gorge, not the battle: "opened the way to the Kelcyre gorge" is descriptive, and not the same as explicitly naming it the "Battle of Kelcyre". Constantine ✍ 13:15, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

There is problem with 4000 years of greek history. Only 3 snipets of greek history (kleisura) and no information relevant from papagos. Stupidus Maximus (talk) 13:25, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

I can scan the page, no problemAlexikoua (talk) 17:03, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Here it is [[2]] (and for a while). Actually in this war council at 5 December: Papagos worried about the possibilty of German intervention decided to hasten the advance. On the other hand General Pitsikas and Tsolakoglou suggested the immediate capture of Klisura Pass, and the result was to continue the steady advance. I'll make the necessary rewording.Alexikoua (talk) 20:35, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

This scan is strange. Has two numbers on 1 page. I told you about [3], if you have scan, ok, if you not have scan, not ok. No problems with copyright (1997)? Stupidus Maximus (talk) 10:40, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Lol the scan is fine, '330' is the pic no. above the text. Since everyone who's interested saw it, I'll ask for deletion.Alexikoua (talk) 11:15, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

After a long time it was time to fix this sentence, as per snippet which I've scanned and uploaded to commons. Suppose, snippet's now ready for deletion. Alexikoua (talk) 12:56, 12 June 2010 (UTC)