Talk:Cabinet of South Africa

Departments.

I know that the various govt. departments are headed by ministers, but I've never heard anyone refer to the "ministry of foreign affairs" or the "ministry of agriculture". It's always the department of whatever. Unless someone has a good cite, I'm going to rename the "ministries" to "departments". ManicParroT 21:59, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

support True, it's called departments. Department of Home Affairs, Department of Education, etc. A ministry usually has to do with religious things. ► Adriaan90 ( Talk ♥ Contribs ) ♪♫ 11:45, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

against. No, a department and a ministry are different things. The minister is a head of a ministry, the department is headed by a director-general. Essentially, the ministry makes the policy that is carried out by the department. --Taejo|대조 15:49, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. Everything is named "Ministry" of this or that. That means renaming 20+ articles. Ugh. ManicParroT 19:31, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Don't worry, the ministry and department are different things. --Taejo|대조 15:49, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Correct: Compare [1] and [2], which are contact details for the Department and the Ministry of Water Affairs and Forestry, respectively. They are not even in the same building, although the postal address is the same. Babakathy (talk) 09:04, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Using cabinet templates?

How about using the expanded cabinet templates:

instead to prevent having corrections in one place but not another? If yes, link the departments and use normal font size? -- Jeandré, 2008-08-15t20:55z, -- Jeandré, 2008-09-26t07:10z, -- Jeandré, 2009-05-09t10:40z, -- Jeandré, 2010-11-01t04:56z

Merger proposal

A good idea. Thereafter, each cabinet referred to in the section above needs its own article, and a section in this article of links to the preceeding cabinets. Babakathy (talk) 09:06, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

okay, the article named motlanthes cabinet has also the names of the deputy ministers. they should be added here. --Severino (talk) 10:46, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress

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History of the Cabinet of South Africa

Please remember to copy any changes to History of the Cabinet of South Africa Gbawden (talk) 07:55, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

Nothing in the article about the Cabinet itself as an institution.

This article is filled entirely with details of who's who in the current cabinet but is entirely lacking in information about the cabinet itself as an institution/organisation. I came here to find out if ministers must be MPs or can "outsiders" also be ministers. Look at Cabinet of the United Kingdom, Cabinet of Germany and Cabinet of Pakistan as examples of articles that cover the Cabinet itself as the subject. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 20:24, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Deputy Ministers are not members of the Cabinet.

Read the constitution! Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 20:16, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

What about government's website [3];[4]? They include the deputy ministers. --SanamBh (talk) 20:39, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

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Merger proposal

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How about merging History of the Cabinet of South Africa into this page? The history page is a stub and is essentially just a list of previous cabinets. Jlalbion (talk) 09:45, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

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Shadow cabinet

I think that the shadow cabinet should be merged into this article. What do you think about that? 41.114.108.183 (talk) 17:36, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

No, I don't think so. The Official Opposition Shadow Cabinet (South Africa) is something entirely different. LefcentrerightDiscuss 19:36, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

Proposal to move some content to Third Cabinet of Cyril Ramaphosa

Text and tables under Cabinet of South Africa#Current Cabinet, including the content on “Distribution of Seats and Executive Positions Among GNU Parties” and “Proportions and ratios of positions as between GNU parties”, seem to be better suited for Third Cabinet of Cyril Ramaphosa.

This content relates to the initial formation of the cabinet on 30 June 2024, and is therefore directly relevant to the latter article. It represents a snapshot in time, but could change at any time. Such content therefore is more directly related to the scope of Third Cabinet of Cyril Ramaphosa and would help to expand it in a meaningful way. On the other hand, the Cabinet of South Africa#Current Cabinet lists the cabinet as is current at any given time. When the composition of this cabinet changes, for example if parties forming part of the “Government of National Unity” (GNU) leaves such grand coalition, two types of changes would be necessary: a) The current cabinet would need to be amended to reflect the adjusted cabinet; b) the historical change to the GNU, or potentially the eventual collapse of it, would need to be recorded elsewhere. The most appropriate location where the changes in b) should be recorded (if they happen) seems to be: Third Cabinet of Cyril Ramaphosa.

An alternative is for the above text and tables to be moved to 2024 South African government formation. However, this does not seem the best option, since such detail regarding the cabinet and deputy ministers seems more appropriate in an article about president Ramaphosa’s third cabinet. I therefore do not propose it be moved to the government formation article.

I believe the above proposed move would improve the coherence and focus of both articles. Please share your thoughts and let me know if you have any objections or further suggestions. Thanks! Zingi (talk) 08:54, 8 July 2024 (UTC)