Talk:Bryant & Stratton College

For-profit status

An unregistered editor is editing this article on behalf of the college to remove the college's for-profit status. As explicitly noted in the article, the college is still classified as a for-profit institution by the US Department of Education. The article also explicitly notes that the college is applying to be reclassified and some organizations have already approved the request. But it's dishonest to claim that the institution is simply a non-profit while the US Department of Education still classifies as for-profit. It's especially unacceptable for someone to edit war over this, without discussion, on behalf of the subject of this article. ElKevbo (talk) 22:24, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

The US Department of Education has approved the College's conversion to Not for Profit status. As you likely know, being invloved in Higher Education, IPEDS updates are processed annually, this update should not have to take a full update cycle of IPEDS. Do you honestly think that MSCHE would publish the status change prior to DoE? The DoE will validate the status of the College as will other sources. Navigator is not considered the only authoritative source. ChrisKatBSC (talk) 18:42, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

We can wait for sources to catch up, we have no deadline here. - MrOllie (talk) 19:57, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

You don’t understand, or care to take the time to understand MrOllie. There are sources. There is not one single authoritative source in this matter, there are many. ChrisKatBSC (talk) 20:08, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

I do think it's fair to consider College Navigator an authoritative source for the information that the US Department of Education has on an institution. Just to be sure, I've sent a message to the folks who maintain the tool to specifically ask how often/when the "Type" is updated or changed in situations like this where an institution has requested a reclassification. I suspect that directory information and other information like this are updated whenever there is a need for the information to be updated, not annually like most of the other data that come from the different IPEDS surveys. If you know of an equally authoritative source published by the Department of Education, please let us know! ElKevbo (talk) 22:16, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

Hello!

Chiming in here to say that the link referenced in the Wikipedia page (currently source #1) has now been updated to show Bryant & Stratton College is "not-for-profit".

Is now an appropriate time for the Wikipedia page to be updated?

Thanks! 2600:1700:5AC2:1500:80FE:C700:7D2B:5457 (talk) 21:10, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

Yes, it is! Thanks for catching this and letting us know. I've edited the article accordingly. ElKevbo (talk) 00:50, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

Campus and Outcome Information

• Specific text to be added or removed: See below

• Reason for the change: Data in outcomes section only reflects one of eighteen campuses, which does not accurately reflect the organization profiled on this page.

• References supporting change: See refs in table

REMOVE: "According to the College Scorecard, Bryant & Stratton online has an 18 percent graduation rate and a median student debt after graduation ranging from $11,400 to $51,442. Median salary after attending ranges from 17, 859 to 41,937. Six percent of student debtors were making progress with their loans. College Navigator reports an 18 percent graduation rate and a 16 percent transfer-out rate."

ADD: "Bryant and Stratton College has 17 campuses including Online Education. College Navigator reports results at the regional level.

Regional Outcomes

Campus	Graduation Rate	Average Annual Cost	Median Earnings After Graduation	College Scorecard (Dept of Ed) Link
Albany	34%	$10,291	$30,246
Buffalo (includes Amherst, Buffalo, & Southtowns Campuses)	30%	$12,269	$30,246
Rochester (includes Greece & Henrietta Campuses)	28%	$12,506	$30,246
Online Education	16%	$13,746	$30,246
Ohio (includes Solon, Parma, & Akron Campuses)	21%	$15,177	$30,246
Syracuse (includes Syracuse & Syracuse North Campuses)	30%	$7,349	$30,246
Virginia (includes Hampton, Richmond, and Virgina Beach Campuses)	27%	$13,174	$30,246
Wisconsin (includes Wauwatosa, Bayshore, & Racine Campuses)	20%	$14,667	$30,246

ChrisKatBSC (talk) 21:46, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for pulling this together, ChrisKatBSC! I agree that the information that was previously in the article is misleading if it only represents one of several campuses so I have removed it while we figure whether to update it, omit it, or replace it with something else.

We typically don't include cost and debt information. I think it's usually more detailed than we try to be in a general encyclopedia article. It's also information that changes often so it would require a lot of (volunteer) work on an ongoing basis to keep it up-to-date. But I'll wait for other editors to weigh in with their opinions.

Can you provide more detail about the graduation rate? Is that the 150% time-to-completion rate? Is it for multiple types of degrees e.g., associate and bachelor's? For what cohorts? ElKevbo (talk) 22:06, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

I agree with ElKevbo, cost and debt information a lot of work to keep timely, and probably not notable enough to justify the effort, though I would defer to users more active in the area.

I can see from the College Scorecard site that the graduation rate is the percentage of all students that graduate within 8-years. GiovanniSidwell (talk) 17:13, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

It seems ridiculously unlikely that the earnings number is actually being calculated for each campus. The odds of all of them coming to the exact same number to the fifth significant digit is minuscule. As such, I don't think we can treat those numbers as actually reflecting the individual campus. --Nat Gertler (talk) 19:54, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

Concur with the above and marking this as declined. Spencer^T•C 21:23, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

References