Talk:Brown Swiss cattle

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The American Dairy Brown swiss cattle evolved from an elite group of Braunvieh cattle that were shipped to the United States. Approximately 130 head of Braunvieh were imported into the United States from Switzerland between 1869 and 1880. This was the basis for the development of the American Brown Swiss that was declared a dairy breed in 1890, and therefore became a different breed. American Brown Swiss have since spread to Canada, Mexico and throughout the world including Switzerland.

Pictures could be added of Monay and Snickerdoodle. This was a good idea, though, adding famous cattle. Perhaps someone sould look up the highest-classified Swiss on record? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.101.89.44 (talk) 17:36, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Jane of Vernon

Is Jane of Vernon significant enough to have her own article? Snickerdoodle? I know nothing about Monay, but I am a small-time Jersey breeder with virtually no interest in Brown Swiss and I know about Jane of Vernon and Snickerdoodle.One Wheel (talk) 19:36, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

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Stub tag removal

@Justlettersandnumbers: Restoration of the stub template(s) may be warranted here as well (I noticed you rightfully restoring them at other cattle-type articles). If you reply here, please ping me by adding {{U|Godsy}} to your message, and signing it. Best Regards, —Godsy^(TALK_CONT) 16:34, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

I'm inclined to agree, Godsy. While the page size is well over the DYK minimum of 1500 B, much of it seems to be unreferenced and/or non-encyclopaedic, and should probably be removed without further ado. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 11:07, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

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The result of the move request was: no consensus. There is consensus that this topic is primary for "Brown Swiss" but not that the article should be at that title. (non-admin closure) KSFT ^(t|c) 22:16, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

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Brown Swiss cattle → Brown Swiss – WP:PRIMARYTOPIC

I usually really dislike it when people re-start a discussion of a move against a consensus that has recently been reached and enacted, but something went seriously wrong at Talk:Brown Caucasian cattle#Requested move 24 January 2018 and I think this merits further examination. The cattle breed is indubitably, unmistakably, overwhelmingly, the primary topic for the title Brown Swiss. On Scholar, "brown swiss" -mushroom gets an estimated 18,900 hits, of which only the first 100 pages/1000 results are visible; results on the hundredth page are all verifiably about the cattle breed, with no false positives that I can see (obviously I haven't gone through a hundred pages one by one to be sure; I imagine that in those 18,900 results there will be a few hits for "Swiss Brown", a name occasionally used for the Braunvieh (which is by now almost 100% Brown Swiss anyway)). "Brown swiss" mushroom -cattle -cow -breed, on the other hand, gets 3 hits, of which two are in fact for the cattle breed.

Brown Swiss simply redirects here; Brown Swiss (disambiguation) does not exist because ... well, there's nothing to disambiguate. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 18:23, 30 June 2019 (UTC) --Relisting. — Newslinger talk 23:49, 8 July 2019 (UTC)

• Agree with nom. Brown Swiss cattle is overwhelmingly the primary topic and Brown Swiss is the common name. The topic does not require disambiguation. Chiswick Chap (talk) 12:40, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose. They are cattle; we should call them cattle. My concern is not so much WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, but instead ambiguity, in this particular case. --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 22:12, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
• Comment: See Talk:Brown Caucasian cattle#Requested move 24 January 2018, a move request that affected this page and resulted in this article being at its current title. Steel1943 (talk) 05:30, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
• Support as the common name. I think Justlettersandnumbers has thoroughly rebutted any claim of ambiguity. So the addition of "cattle" is just awkward, unnecessary disambiguation, which doesn't reflect the language used in the article. If we accept the argument that "They are cattle; we should call them cattle", does that mean we should have article titles like New York Times newspaper, Nestlé company, French Open tennis tournament, etc.? Colin M (talk) 17:16, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

Personally, I think Brown Swiss is screaming, "'Brown Swiss' what?" IMHO. --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 00:35, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose. The most fundamentally important thing about the topic is that it is cattle. "Brown Swiss" is a shorthand used only once the context of cattle is already established. In journals books everything on cattle, they don't want "cattle" to represent 10% of the word use, so it is dropped, but it will always appear at the top. A Wikipedia article title is at the top. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 00:56, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
  • There's some truth to this, but "always" is overstating the case. In a Google Scholar search for "Brown Swiss", 3 of the first 10 titles use the term non-attributively, e.g. "Milk, fat, protein, somatic cell score, and days open among Holstein, Brown Swiss, and their crosses". The other 7 use phrases like "Brown Swiss calves", "Brown Swiss heat-stressed dairy cows", etc. Colin M (talk) 02:08, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
    • Journal articles are (unfortunately) so often unreadable without the context of preceding articles. I maintain that in these cases where "cattle" or "cow" or bovine or similar is omitted, it is because context is either already established, or (unfortunately) assumed to be established. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 02:17, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
• Comment a lot in common here with Talk:Fisher cat. --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 02:59, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

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Merger proposal

Aren't these Brown_Swiss_cattle the same as Braunvieh ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.182.141.47 (talk • contribs) 77.182.141.47 (UTC)

“… derives from the traditional triple-purpose Braunvieh ("Swiss Brown") of the Alpine region of Europe, but has diverged substantially from it. It was selectively bred for dairy qualities only, and its draft and beef capabilities were lost.”

There is a claim of difference. Is it true that a Brown Swiss cow can put a plough or be eaten? —SmokeyJoe (talk) 02:04, 4 December 2022 (UTC)