Talk:Bilu (movement)

Palestine pioneers

The source for this "alternative" name is from a 1939 Life Magazine, but there, it is written ("Palestine pioneer"), meaning, it is NOT the alternative name of the movement, for if it was, it would have been written Palestine pioneers since the than Life Magazine editors are seemingly more aware of the use of brackets and inverted commas than the Wikipedia editors. In fact the word pioneer was widely applied during the period from late 19th century when it became popularised based on the descriptions of the "opening" of the American West, and right to the Second World War, all in the sense of Pioneering (Scouting), but occasionally politicized. BILU, more correctly BYL"U, was largely a Jewish youth movement that undertook similar functionality: moving to new country, setting up homesteads, using agricultural technology, etc. The use of "Palestine" in the source is of course referring to the British Mandate Palestine, since the BILU members used either Russian or Hebrew and, being Zionist, would have used Eretz Yisrael. It is disingenuous to give the movement an English "alternative" name while few if any of its members actually spoke the language!Koakhtzvigad (talk) 14:08, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

Actually, it clearly says "Palestine Pioneers" (with both capital letters and plural Pioneers, indicating a name). Please look at the source again. —Ynhockey ^(Talk) 15:40, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

Move proposal

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No consensus to move. Vegaswikian (talk) 07:10, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Bilu → BYL"U — From Bilu -> BYL"U to reflect that it is an abbreviation, and the initials of the transliterated Hebrew name. Koakhtzvigad (talk) 14:08, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

• No. Please see WP:HE. —Ynhockey ^(Talk) 15:41, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
• Oppose. Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Hebrew)#Abbreviations reads in part Most Hebrew abbreviations are treated as regular words for all intents and purposes. Thus, they should not be all-uppercase like English abbreviations, and there should be no apostrophes or quotation marks for separation like in Hebrew. This appears to be a case in point, and if not the onus of proof is on those in favour of the move to provide evidence. Andrewa (talk) 05:47, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

I'm not sure who and why made this rule, however for now I'll withdraw this request Koakhtzvigad (talk) 12:09, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Have a look at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (Hebrew), its page history [1], talk page and talk archive pages 1 2 3 4. Changing the convention is not to be taken lightly, but it happens all the time. Andrewa (talk) 03:09, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

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