Talk:Battle of Vuhledar

The battle has begun

On Tuesday, January 24, 2023, Russian forces officially launched an offensive against the strategically important city of Vuhledar. There is no longer any doubt about that. I expect other users to join in the aesthetic improvement of the article. It would make my job easier. – Baba Mica (talk) 20:40, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

Casualties and losses inaccurate

Not sure what the appropriate protocol is for casualty and loss figures, but what's listed is very outdated for a battle which has accelerated in the past couple weeks. Additionally, it's not an accurate reflection of the source, and the source isn't a Ukrainian claim, but rather the limited claims of interviewed individuals on the ground. Should maybe be removed or replaced for the time being. Just-a-can-of-beans (talk) 03:55, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

Vuhledar is current a grey area, which is difficult to determine the losses of personal. Even exact losses of armoured vehicles are difficult to determine solely relying on drone footages. I believe we should continue to use these inaccurate sources for the time being Amnop1234 (talk) 13:53, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

Battle of Pavlivka. Separate page or merge with Battle of Vuhledar?

So I noticed that the Battle of Pavlivka was merged with the Battle of Pavlivka. Should it stay as such or should it be separated. I think it should be separated because the Battle of Pavlivka happened much earlier before Vuhledar, and there appeared to be a pause by Russian forces after capturing Pavlivka and before the commencement of the Battle of Vuhledar 209.147.97.30 (talk) 19:35, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

I understand, but discussions had taken place between January and March, which had been decided to merge the page.

The main reason is that the battle of pavlivka was actually meant to take Vuhledar (but failed miserably due to the incompetence of the RuAF)

Secondly, RuAF also attacked Mykilske at the same time, which they were able to capture and attack the area around Vuhledar (and also tried to flank Pavlivka but also failed miserably)

Third, there are still constant fighting after the capturing of Pavlivka (such as TOS shelling Vuhledar)

It would be reasonable to split the two pages before January, but it's better to merge the two pages now. Amnop1234 (talk) 14:50, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

Operational-strategic significance: Expansion?

I feel we need to find more RS discussing the operational-strategic context. Because right now it's very unclear what the battle is/was actually about.

You might say that in fact that's the case. I would personally disagree since I recently noticed that the place is key to fire control of the T0509 highway, which if achieved, would open a third major GLOC as far as Velyka Novosilka, which would obviously have been a big deal.

However, I haven't found RS to support this. Doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Usually we'd look at ISW (😏), but the overall focus of the Ukraine team there has gradually moved away from operational-level military strategy as the war has progressed. I've read almost every daily report, and I've seen no mention of that, despite major coverage of GLOCs in the context of the Kherson and Kharkiv counteroffensives.

Obviously Telegram is not really a good enough source. The best bet might be random news articles. RadioactiveBoulevardier (talk) 03:19, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

BINGO! https://www.rferl.org/amp/ukraine-russia-battle-vuhledar/32276547.html

Will process/add it tomorrow, unless someone beats me to it. RadioactiveBoulevardier (talk) 06:32, 19 July 2023 (UTC)