Talk:Barbecue in Oklahoma

Oklahoma BBQ

Is probably the best BBQ in the country. It's true that it's a hybrid, but most of its influence comes straight from the east, with a heavy emphasis on Memphis. Oklahoma has successfully taken styles from all over the south and turned them into one superior taste explosion. Texas gets the glory in the media, but anyone tasting our BBQ comes to terms with our superiority. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kryan74 (talk • contribs) 16:06, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

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Not a legitimate style and driven by conflicts of interest

Jmbranum, deletion review is used to try to get an article undeleted and that doesn't fit here. Barbecue in Oklahoma may as well be Barbecue in New York. OK does not have a distinct recognized style. The PBS host that claims it is, is paid by the state to promote tourism - read lie. Why not Hamburgers in Oklahoma? Because they aren't notable as a separate subject. It is disingenuous to have this article as a conveyance mechanism to try to legitimize a style that does not properly exist.
 — Berean Hunter (talk) 18:19, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

Actually...

Hamburgers in Oklahoma actually would be a legitimate article, except it would probably be "fried onion burgers in Oklahoma" as that is an actual style of burger with going to El Reno, Oklahoma. Thanks for the suggestion, I'll start working on that article soon. ;-)

What sources do you have that say that Oklahoma's BBQ style isn't distinct recognized style? And why is a detailed discussion of a 100+ year BBQ tradition inappropriate, even if it is a hybridized style? Almost all styles (be it of food or anything else) have hybrid or blended elements? Jmbranum (talk) 18:26, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

You don't have sources that claim that it is. Have you done a source check on the article? Many of the links that I try are coming up dead. Where something isn't a bonafide style, synthesis shouldn't be used to legitimize it. Halting a trend by state tourism boards who are making things up. They are not reliable sources.
 — Berean Hunter (talk) 18:30, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

"What I do believe is that most people don’t think of Oklahoma barbecue as unique – in contrast to the kind found in Texas or Kansas City or Memphis or North Carolina. In fact, this barbecue is usually described in terms of what it’s not: it’s not as saucy as barbecue from Kansas City, though both places commonly use hickory wood, and what sauce it has can be similar to K.C.’s with ketchup as a main ingredient. It’s not as tangy as Memphis barbecue and not as vinegary as what they serve in North Carolina. It’s not as dry as most classic Texas barbecue, and it’s not inclusive of just one kind of meat: both pork ribs and large cuts of beef (like brisket) play a major role. What it has in common with the other well-known barbecue styles of this country is that its tradition has existed for almost as long as theirs and was likely created by the same combination of European immigrants and black workers who came to the area and looked for good, cheap food when they arrived." - Bayless from Saveur but the quote is here.

In other words, it isn't its own style anymore than Bagels in Nebraska. Bayless has also been paid by the state to try and push that. Nothing distinct about it.
 — Berean Hunter (talk) 18:55, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

Seeking outside moderation

I am very frustrated that there has been a unilateral decision made by one editor to delete this article without any prior discussion. I will not be undoing the last deletion but will instead be seeking moderation assistance. Jmbranum (talk) 18:40, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

Why not try to answer the questions above?
 — Berean Hunter (talk) 18:46, 15 July 2019 (UTC)