Talk:Azov Brigade
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Q1: Why is the Azov Regiment described as having neo-Nazi elements?
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Allegations
editGreetings @F.Alexsandr, why have you removed [1] "Allegations" from the section title? ManyAreasExpert (talk) 13:29, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- Because its a fact, not merely allegations. F.Alexsandr (talk) 14:10, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- Your claim is wrong. ManyAreasExpert (talk) 14:12, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- Sounds like you are basing your alteration on your personal opinion rather than the actual article, the section contains sources with both points of view. TylerBurden (talk) 16:32, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
Sham trials
editI see sources are pretty solid in characterizing these developments as "Sham trials". I'll add another one - Trials of Ukrainian Prisoners of War in Russia: Decay of the Combatant’s Immunity (justsecurity.org) . ManyAreasExpert (talk) 16:02, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Personally I agree that it's not a fair trial. However calling it like this in the section title is not encyclopedic. Most of the sources do not use this term [2], [3], [4], [5]. Alaexis¿question? 20:52, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Those are short news. More in-depth analyses like those above and from HRW do note that trials are a joke off justice:
A sham trial Russia has put Ukrainian prisoners of war connected with the Azov Brigade on trial for terrorism — Meduza
Ukraine: Russian sham trials of prisoners of war in Mariupol ‘illegal and unacceptable’ - Amnesty International
Russian sham trial threatens 33 UA soldiers with almost 30 years in prison / The New Voice of Ukraine (nv.ua) ManyAreasExpert (talk) 20:59, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Those are short news. More in-depth analyses like those above and from HRW do note that trials are a joke off justice:
US
editNo mention of the fact that the US Congress banned funds to Ukraine over Azov (https://khanna.house.gov/media/in-the-news/congress-bans-arms-ukraine-militia-linked-neo-nazis) and the ADL's assessement in 2019 (https://www.adl.org/resources/report/hate-beyond-borders-internationalization-white-supremacy). This article is a post-2022 whitewashing propaganda piece. 167.142.48.84 (talk)
- "In 2018, the U.S. House of Representatives again passed a provision blocking any training of Azov members by American forces, citing its neo-Nazi connection" Slatersteven (talk) 10:23, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- IN fact we have a whole section on the allegations. Slatersteven (talk) 10:25, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- Probably this should be under allegations of antisemitism. The article puts the allegations all over the place to make the pre-2022 allegations less definitive then they are. 167.142.48.84 (talk) 10:30, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- It is. Slatersteven (talk) 10:32, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- No, the statement "In 2018, the U.S. House of Representatives again passed a provision blocking any training of Azov members by American forces, citing its neo-Nazi connections." is under "International arms and training controversies" 167.142.48.84 (talk) 20:39, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- It is. Slatersteven (talk) 10:32, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- Probably this should be under allegations of antisemitism. The article puts the allegations all over the place to make the pre-2022 allegations less definitive then they are. 167.142.48.84 (talk) 10:30, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
NeoNazi designation
editshouldn't we include a note that they are/were a neo nazi group? [6]https://www.thehindu.com/news/international/the-azov-battalion-the-neo-nazis-of-ukraine/article65239935.ece[7]https://theintercept.com/2022/02/24/ukraine-facebook-azov-battalion-russia/ BarakHussan (talk) 21:32, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- Try reading through the talk page archives if you really think this is the first time someone asks this, or better yet, read the article itself which contains 137 instances of the word "Nazi". TylerBurden (talk) 21:44, 19 June 2024 (UTC)