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Assessment edit
I have added a quality assessment rating and importance rating to this article. Feel free to change them as the article improves! Also, feel free to add more issues to the list below, and strike them out (strike) when they're completed. — OranL (talk) 02:54, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
Notable issues edit
- The article requires expansion.
- The article needs to be broken up into sections.
Facebook page edit
Article has this uncited statement: "According to his Facebook page, he underwent a successful kidney transplant on New Year's Eve 2015, the medical bills for which were fully crowdfunded." but there doesn't seem to be any Facebook page for Eisenberg, official or unofficial. CrocodilesAreForWimps (talk) 21:25, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
Death edit
A reliable source should be cited ASAP to back-up recent edits about his death. Meticulo (talk) 04:36, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
- His wife’s Facebook and his podcast’s Twitter, are they reliable enough for you?--Simmerdon3448 (talk) 04:48, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
- The cause of death has not yet been released, yet some idiot keeps on editing the page to say he died of AIDS... if it's true, fair enough; but cause of death hasn't been released. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.25.109.197 (talk • contribs) 06:44, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
- His wife confirmed his death on Facebook and Twitter - how is this not a reliable source? Sort it out, please? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.25.109.197 (talk • contribs) 06:48, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
- In my defence, when I edited the article page there was no citation of podcasts or Twitter accounts (unless I've overlooked something?). The sole source cited was Facebook. And no, in most cases I don't consider Facebook a reliable source in the sense the phrase is usually used on Wikipedia - it's been the source of plenty of hoaxes and fake news. Others may have the skills or specialised fan knowledge to authenticate his widow's page as genuinely being hers. I didn't. My concern on a rapidly changing page was to flag it as a precaution against false biographical information. Meticulo (talk) 10:22, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
- The context of how Facebook is used for Eisenberg’s death is different from Facebook being a source of other fake news. A person’s estate would not lie about the living status about the person. The official page of a TV network, or the official page of one of the network’s shows run by the network, such as is the case for the announcement of the end of My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic, is different from your typical fake news machines. A wife would not lie about their husband’s death on Facebook like you think they would--Simmerdon3448 (talk) 15:27, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
- That person isn't saying the wife/widow would lie, they're saying they didn't have the ability to personally verify that it wasn't some random person impersonating the wife/widow. Very different things. - Purplewowies (talk) 17:56, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
- The Facebook page is not a reliable source. It is not "verified" authentic, and making claims about a third party disqualifies it from being used in this way. This article still falls under WP:BDP policy. Elizium23 (talk) 04:46, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
- Except it’s a Facebook profile that doesn’t get verified like a page does. It’s like claiming someone who’s suing for defamation “innocent until proven guilty” when a) it’s a lawsuit, not a trial and b) they’re the defendant. Regardless of the result, you’re not getting a guilty verdict, which would mean your proclamation is disingenuous. In the case of the Facebook post, it would be “Well it doesn’t matter if the profile is legit, it’s still not verified”. If it was a blog post, the blog could still be hacked into. If a story doesn’t become legit until CNN reports it, and the CNN report and all sources afterward cite the very same Facebook post, it becomes - matter of your inability to believe the absolute best source of the information. It comes off as sexist. “I have a death in the family.” is a statement about her. That’s how to sum up the post most succinctly in a way that qualifies the post as a valid source.--Simmerdon3448 (talk) 05:02, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
- Do you realize that there are two other perfectly reliable secondary sources in there already? Why do we even need a Facebook post? Elizium23 (talk) 05:12, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
- Did you bother to read the articles? The Facebook post is from Eisenberg’s wife. It’s her announcing his death and the fact that you’re trivializing it so much is pretty offensive--Simmerdon3448 (talk) 05:23, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
- Yes, and WP:ABOUTSELF says we can't use it for this purpose. Have you read the policies? The fact that you're trivializing them so much is pretty offensive! Elizium23 (talk) 05:29, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
- What part of “I have a death in the family” is not about oneself?--Simmerdon3448 (talk) 05:37, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
- Yes, and WP:ABOUTSELF says we can't use it for this purpose. Have you read the policies? The fact that you're trivializing them so much is pretty offensive! Elizium23 (talk) 05:29, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
- Did you bother to read the articles? The Facebook post is from Eisenberg’s wife. It’s her announcing his death and the fact that you’re trivializing it so much is pretty offensive--Simmerdon3448 (talk) 05:23, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
- Do you realize that there are two other perfectly reliable secondary sources in there already? Why do we even need a Facebook post? Elizium23 (talk) 05:12, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
- Except it’s a Facebook profile that doesn’t get verified like a page does. It’s like claiming someone who’s suing for defamation “innocent until proven guilty” when a) it’s a lawsuit, not a trial and b) they’re the defendant. Regardless of the result, you’re not getting a guilty verdict, which would mean your proclamation is disingenuous. In the case of the Facebook post, it would be “Well it doesn’t matter if the profile is legit, it’s still not verified”. If it was a blog post, the blog could still be hacked into. If a story doesn’t become legit until CNN reports it, and the CNN report and all sources afterward cite the very same Facebook post, it becomes - matter of your inability to believe the absolute best source of the information. It comes off as sexist. “I have a death in the family.” is a statement about her. That’s how to sum up the post most succinctly in a way that qualifies the post as a valid source.--Simmerdon3448 (talk) 05:02, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
- The Facebook page is not a reliable source. It is not "verified" authentic, and making claims about a third party disqualifies it from being used in this way. This article still falls under WP:BDP policy. Elizium23 (talk) 04:46, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
- That person isn't saying the wife/widow would lie, they're saying they didn't have the ability to personally verify that it wasn't some random person impersonating the wife/widow. Very different things. - Purplewowies (talk) 17:56, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
- The context of how Facebook is used for Eisenberg’s death is different from Facebook being a source of other fake news. A person’s estate would not lie about the living status about the person. The official page of a TV network, or the official page of one of the network’s shows run by the network, such as is the case for the announcement of the end of My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic, is different from your typical fake news machines. A wife would not lie about their husband’s death on Facebook like you think they would--Simmerdon3448 (talk) 15:27, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
- In my defence, when I edited the article page there was no citation of podcasts or Twitter accounts (unless I've overlooked something?). The sole source cited was Facebook. And no, in most cases I don't consider Facebook a reliable source in the sense the phrase is usually used on Wikipedia - it's been the source of plenty of hoaxes and fake news. Others may have the skills or specialised fan knowledge to authenticate his widow's page as genuinely being hers. I didn't. My concern on a rapidly changing page was to flag it as a precaution against false biographical information. Meticulo (talk) 10:22, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
I have explained in detail how illogical it is to exclude the main source of the news in favor of only keeping the sources that used the very post of which you’re trying to exclude. You are being ridiculous--Simmerdon3448 (talk) 05:37, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
Personal Life edit
Several news reports, including this one, state that Eisenberg was a father who left two sons, Christopher and Nicholas. Christopher is evidently a musician, per his Facebook page. Hoping for proper citations for this information, and perhaps information on the mother of the boys. The News Hound 19:13, 22 September 2019 (UTC)