Talk:Arilena Ara

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Arilena Ara/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Firefangledfeathers (talk · contribs) 16:44, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

@Iaof2017: Thank you for your work on this article. I'll have some comments for you sometime in the next 24 hours. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 16:44, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

@Iaof2017: just wanted to make sure this is on your radar. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 18:03, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

Hey @Firefangledfeathers:, I've adressed most of your comments and left some comments on few points. Iaof2017 (talk) 17:47, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

Hi Iaof2017. Thank you for addressing the comments. I've responded to a few of your points below. Can you please address or respond to the two remaining items? They are both about expansion on some major aspects of the biography. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 15:34, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

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GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

1. Is it well written?

   A. The prose is clear and concise, and the spelling and grammar are correct:

   See notes below.

   All addressed.

   B. It complies with the manual of style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation:

   Mostly good, but there are some potential MOS:LEAD issues. See notes below.

   All addressed

2. Is it verifiable with no original research?

   A. It contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline:

   B. All in-line citations are from reliable sources, including those for direct quotations, statistics, published opinion, counter-intuitive or controversial statements that are challenged or likely to be challenged, and contentious material relating to living persons—science-based articles should follow the scientific citation guidelines:

   See notes below.

   C. It contains no original research:

   See notes below.

   Some statistics have unclear in-line citations.

   D. It contains no copyright violations nor plagiarism:

   Having trouble getting the toolforge tool to load, but nothing came up in my source spot checks or test phrase Google checks.

   Got the tool to run. No actual issues. One false positive from a site that is copying (without attribution) from Wikipedia.

3. Is it broad in its coverage?

   A. It addresses the main aspects of the topic:

   See notes below.

   Some major aspects are not substantively addressed.

   B. It stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style):

4. Is it neutral?

   It represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each:

5. Is it stable?

   It does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute:

6. Is it illustrated, if possible, by images?

   A. Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content:

   Licenses check out

   B. Images are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions:

7. Overall:

   Pass or Fail:

   A fail for now. Hopefully a few fixes can lead to a successful second nomination. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 14:28, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

GA notes

• Overall
  • Just as a notice, I have no proficiency in the Albanian language and am accessing sources using machine translation. Feel free to push back if this causes any errors in my review.
  • Can AllMusic be replaced as a source for genre? See WP:ALLMUSIC
  • Shortness is not, as far as I know, a disqualifying factor in GAs. Since "broad" is a criterion, the real test is whether brevity means that there are major aspects of the subject not being addressed by the article. I'll be looking at sources to try and determine this. To your knowledge, are there broad strokes of Ara's life, career, works, or controversies that aren't mentioned so far?

• Every aspect was addressed, except her debut as a tv presenter, which I added in the end of the '2019–present'-section. Iaof2017 (talk) 17:40, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
  • Thank you. I haven't run into any other "broad strokes" besides the two mentioned below. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 15:34, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

• Lead
  • Though readers can follow the links, it would be helpful to briefly introduce what "Kënga Magjike", "Nëntori", and "Festivali i Këngës" are. Phrases along the lines of "music competition", "her song", and "annual music competition" would be good.
  • Is "recognition in the Albanian-speaking Balkans" supported by a source? If so, it should be "international recognition".
  • I'm concerned about the sources used for the genres in the infobox; see comments above and below
• Early life
  • It does not appear that the Shqiptarja source verifies any of the preceding content
  • If Shqiptarja doesn't verify the birth date, then it's solely TeksteShqip. My initial assessment is that this is not a reliable source. It looks like they accept user-generated content. Can you help me understand if I'm wrong, or replace this with a different source? It's also used for genre in the infobox.
    • Looks like the Top Channel bio could be used for DOB. I would still like your thoughts on TeksteShqip.

• User are generally allowed to submit artists, songs, updates and other music-related material to the website, which are then corrected and verified by the staff of TeksteShqip. It's a good encyclopedia-inspired website, which chronologically lists events and etc. however, I am not sure about its reliability, what do you think? Iaof2017 (talk) 14:02, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
  • Since it can be removed (I think), I would recommend doing so. I wouldn't rely on it for claims in a BLP. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 15:34, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

• • In what sense were the competitions she performed in as a young person "diverse"? Maybe this should be "various" or just deleted, as the sentence works without the adjective.
  • Please introduce/explain "Gjeniu i Vogël" and drop the "the" before "third place"
  • Her participation and victory in X Factor is likely to have received coverage in reliable sources. Please expand on this.
    • This is one of the two main remaining items. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 15:34, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
  • How about "She won the second series of X Factor Albania on 31 March 2012"?
  • Didn't she win X Factor in 2013?
  • Please cite a source that says "Aeroplan" "was written by Albanian singer Rozana Radi and produced by Macedonian composer Darko Dimitrov". I assume those details are coming from the YouTube video; a secondary source would be even better.

• Unfortunately, there are no other available references, so I removed that part. Iaof2017 (talk) 13:41, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

• • Please introduce/explain "Kënga Magjike" here as well
  • Which source supports "In early 2017, the song's remixes, including "Nentori (Bess Remix)" and "Nentori (Beverly Pills Remix)", received heavy airplay in the Commonwealth of Independent States (CIS)"?

• Chart positions were added instead, with notes in the references. Iaof2017 (talk) 13:29, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
  • Is Tophit a CIS-only chart site? It's hard to understand where that info is coming from. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 14:28, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

• • Did she perform Nentori at Europa Plus? That's implied by the arrangement of the text, but not supported by the citedsources (I don't think). The Top Channel "Voice Kids" source might help here.
  • Can you confirm that the Kiss FM podcast source supports the preceding content? A quote (with translation) added to the ref would help a lot, as would a timestamp.
  • Should this section mention her performance and award in Kazakhstan (Top Channel "Voice Kids" source)
  • Is the Class Lifestyle source correct that she competed in The Voice Romania?

• She was invited as a special guest to perform at the final of The Voice Romania. Iaof2017 (talk) 17:40, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

• • Is there a newer source that covers her judging on The Voice Kids Albania season 3? Focus should be on her role in the show and not on the announcement.
• 2019–present
  • Please introduce/explain "Festivali i Këngës" here as well
  • Her participation and victory in FIK is likely to have received coverage in reliable sources. Please expand on this.
    • This is one of the two main remaining items. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 15:34, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
  • Some awkward phrases with suggestions
    • "in relation to the COVID-19 pandemic" → "due to the COVID-19 pandemic"
    • "announced the cancellation of" → "cancelled"
    • "four subsequent singles" → "four singles"
    • "her native country" → just name the country
  • "peaked at number 29" needs a citation to a reliable source that verifies it. As the GA criteria include "statistics" as items requiring inline citations to reliable sources, please review all such stats in the article and confirm that the sources verify them. If the sources from the discography section suffice, please re-use them.

I'm a bit behind on this. Posting what I have so far so you can get started if you like. I won't put the review "on hold" until I've given you the full feedback, at which point you'll have a week to resolve the concerns. Should be plenty of time. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 18:27, 6 June 2022 (UTC) added more comments 03:48, 8 June 2022 (UTC) couple more 19:59, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

@Iaof2017: Here's the full review. Please address the items above (and possibly the optional ones below). I'm available for followup or clarifying questions. I'm going to put the nomination on hold for a week for the needed improvements to be made. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 04:28, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

Non-GA notes (optional)

• Are the Apple Music links helping to verify any content? If not, they should be removed.

• They verify the release dates of the album and preceding singles. Iaof2017 (talk) 17:44, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
  • Looks good. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 15:34, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

• In Discography, I think the table titles can be removed. For example, "List of singles as lead artist, with selected chart positions" doesn't present any information that isn't already in its subsection heading or the top rows of the table itself. If kept, consider rephrasing "selected char positions".
• Second image caption doesn't need a period per MOS:CAPFRAG