Talk:Anti-anti-art

Proposed move

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The result of the move request was: Not moved. EdJohnston (talk) 15:16, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

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Anti-anti-art → Anti–Anti-art – "Anti" is the part of the compound that modifies anti-art. Per MOS:ENDASH endashes are used instead of a hyphen, when applying a prefix to a compound that includes a space. I think we can use common sense to reasonably extend that guideline to "includes a space or hyphen" for clarity's sake. Relisted Tiggerjay (talk) 06:26, 14 April 2013 (UTC) Marcus Qwertyus (talk) 04:16, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

• Comment why is the "A" capitalized? -- 65.92.180.137 (talk) 07:07, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
• I'm in favor of anti-anti-art and against anti–anti-art as the title. The move would lead to "(Redirected from anti-anti-art)" messages for readers, who might be puzzled by the near-homoglyphs. This is an online encyclopedia, not a printed one, and people type the name of a topic to find the articles. They won't know that there "should" be an en dash followed by a hyphen in the term. Hyphens are entered more readily than en dashes on most computers, I believe. I'm not seeing how changing "anti-anti-art" to "anti–anti-art" is a clarification, but if the nominator used {{DISPLAYTITLE}} rather than moving the article, I wouldn't see a problem with it. —rybec 10:41, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
• anti–anti–art , anti-anti–art should also exist as redirects. -- 65.92.180.137 (talk) 10:34, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
• Support per nomTiggerjay (talk) 06:26, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
• Oppose—Marcus, partly good thinking here; but MOS does say "space", and as a reading psychologist I can see why there might be a perceptual–cognitive difference between that and a hyphen in the pre-existing item. CMOS: "The en dash can be used in place of a hyphen in a compound adjective when one of its elements consists of an open compound or when both elements consist of hyphenated compounds (see 7.78). ... [This] should be used sparingly, and only when a more elegant solution is unavailable. ... A single word or prefix should be joined to a hyphenated compound by another hyphen rather than an en dash; if the result is awkward, reword: non-English-speaking peoples, a two-thirds-full cup (or, better, a cup that is two-thirds full)." [I've tweaked the formatting at the end for clarity and brevity here.] In this case, I think our MOS is in principle consistent with CMOS. Tony (talk) 02:42, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
• Oppose – bad capitalization and questionable dash styling. If you think en dash is good in such situations, let's have that conversation at MOS first, and see if people want to amend. There are a few sources that use en dash in anti–anti-X compounds (e.g. this article). Dicklyon (talk) 03:27, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
• Weak oppose per Dicklyon. This seems like a stunt word (or rather a stunt term), and current usage is more in line with what readers will more likely be looking for. If you're against Zionism, you ascribed to Anti-Zionism. If you're against anti-art, you're anti-anti-art. --BDD (talk) 16:29, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

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