Talk:Allotment (gardening)

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Who assigns the parcels? Who organizes the growers into an association?

How much of this is voluntary? And are growers allowed or forbidden to sell surplus food they grow?

Its all voluntary as a rule. also you should not sell surplus food it depends on your tennency agreement most places it is against the rules. --Andham2000 21:27, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

the answers to all those questions vary according to management, different polies, contracts, etc. The one we rented when we lived in Germany technically disallowed sales of the surplus--their goal was to provent comercial farms from snaping up the parcels--but there were plenty of little notes tacked up offering sale or trade of surplus' on the fences, which they ignored. They were bigger sticklers about weed control (weeds spread to the neighboring parcels), what you could or couldn't use on the soil (one section was organic and they aimed to keep it that way), and that you actually used it for gardening (some people used theirs for storage and just stuck a couple tomatoes in for show). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.251.53.8 (talk) 02:30, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Allotments in UK

There is no mention of parish councils that you can rent allotments from. --Andham2000 21:27, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Remove the link to "allotmenteering", as it was self referential. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.217.109.164 (talk) 08:19, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Can be used for citations: http://pia-journal.co.uk/article/view/pia.379/439#r33 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.166.146.78 (talk) 15:50, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

Kleingartens In Austria

I was suprised that Austria was not mentioned in the article. The city of Vienna has numerous Kleingartens and it would be helpful to know about how they are organized. Waynes94Waynes94 (talk) 23:51, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Garden colonies

What are "garden colonies"?

Vandalised

Trey Songz is a notable person who has an allotment? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.15.207.204 (talk) 19:09, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

Merger proposal

do not merge community gardens with allotment gardening: Why you say? Because Community Gardens and allotment gardens are not one and the same. Everyone can work in a community garden - it's a free for all, whereas allotment gardens are more about splitting up land to only be used by certain people, which is not what happens in community gardens. allotment gardening is a form of gardening in the community, but it's more exclusive. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.108.78.157 (talk) 04:15, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

I agree, community gardening is a different concept. Allotments and community gardens can confer some of the same benefits on the community, but allotments are held usually by one or two people, and are used for food and recreational purposes first, community enrichment second. Community gardens are much more socially oriented. Miriamturley (talk) 23:10, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

I too say do not merge. For the same reasons as stated above. A 'community garden' may look like the gardens in UK, that are referred to as 'allotments', but the organisational structure is different.Kendo 66 03:39, 28 November 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kendo 66 (talk • contribs)

Do not merge. Allotment holders have a contract to garden, whereas community gardeners do not. Also, in allotments, there is often a rule that you cannot visit other plots without permission. Gordo (talk) 08:28, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

Do not merge. As section 2.13 of the Allotments article shows, in the UK, allotments were introduced to enable the poor to continue to grow their own food after the Inclosure Acts deprived them of their rights on common land. In this village, part of the Inclosure Award was "the allocation of 2 acres and 10 perches (0.84 hectares approx) to the Churchwardens and Overseers of the Poor [of Berrick Salome] to be held by them and their successors in trust as an allotment for the labouring poor of the said parish." - Inclosure Commissioners, Berrick Salome Inclosure Award, 1863. Community gardens are a more recent, and very different, phenomenon. Sherwin35 (talk) 21:44, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

Do not merge. Allotments are probably different to community gardens in that community gardens are a single shared space rather than being partitioned up and responsibilities for each allotment being more individual in nature. Two different concepts as gardens. How do we now move on and vote down this proposed merge so that the proposal of the merge can be removed from the Community Garden page header? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Geekpete (talk • contribs) 01:16, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

• Oppose - an individual allotment is not a shared community garden. Since everyone seems to agree on this, I shall close this misguided merger proposal now. Chiswick Chap (talk) 07:47, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

Given the clear consensus not to merge, I'm closing this discussion now. Chiswick Chap (talk) 18:45, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

I realize that the merge discussion was probably closed too recently to re-open, but I'm puzzled by the assertions about community gardens. I've been a member of two community gardens in the United States, and considered membership in three or four others. In all cases, each gardener was allotted a specific little chunk of land, for which they paid a fee and signed a contract. That piece of land was used exclusively by the gardener that signed up for it, and harvesting from, or for that matter so much as touching, another gardener's plot was an offense. I'm sure that the term "community garden" has also been used to refer to a common shared space, but I've never encountered any such thing. If I had come along before the proposal was closed, I definitely would have supported the merge. Edited to add: Contrary to the "free for all" impression, the gardens of which I was a member had locked gates for the overall garden property, and strong concern about being careful with key, ensuring that strangers were excluded, and ensuring that the "last gardener out" for the day make sure that the garden was locked up. There were social aspects--one or two potlucks per year, maybe a cleanup day for the fences and main paths, a tomato tasting, etc., but the social element was not the primary factor. ChickenFreak (talk) 05:50, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

You're free to open a new section to discuss a merge or whatever other topic related to the article you would like. New sections are defined by two = signs on either side of the heading. Community gardening in the United States does make the point that a majority of US gardens use an allotment /assigned plot system, but a lot of content in that article is unreferenced.Dialectric (talk) 13:54, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

New paper

Allotment Gardens: A Reflection of History, Heritage, Community and Self

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Allotments in Canada

There are several issues with the 'Canada' section. First, it cites no references. Second: in Toronto there are both <ref="https://www1.toronto.ca/wps/portal/contentonly?vgnextoid=8148dada600f0410VgnVCM10000071d60f89RCRD">community gardening</ref> and <ref="https://www1.toronto.ca/wps/portal/contentonly?vgnextoid=aa16c0e9f7301410VgnVCM10000071d60f89RCRD&vgnextchannel=0a4adada600f0410VgnVCM10000071d60f89RCRD">allotment gardens</ref>. Allotments are owned by the city and residents pay for permits to use them. Community gardens are on private land and part of a legal structure to create a 'community garden'. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.225.38.223 (talk) 18:02, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

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Russia

While having the correct images that correspond to the subject of the article (i.e. showing what would be Russian allotments), the actual text largely relates to a different term - 'Russian dacha'. Furthermore it also mentions villages. I'd like to point out that in Russia an allotment, a dacha, and a village house are three quite distinctively different types of property and the terms are not arbitrary interchangeable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:17D0:182:B00:AD67:B8B7:1EA7:21E (talk) 15:06, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

Still uncorrected.Xx236 (talk) 10:51, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

Simialr situation in Belarus and Ukraine.Xx236 (talk) 11:09, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

Czechoslovakia doesn't exist

Unsourced.Xx236 (talk) 10:50, 11 April 2018 (UTC)