Talk:All India Majlis-e-Ittehadul Muslimeen

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Requested move done. Although there were no votes, this was a rather uncontroversial move. enochlau (talk) 01:16, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

shamim khan from mumbai,

        AIMIM is doing very good job for muslims and backwards.

and please try to understand AIMIM is not against hindu or anyother religion.it is against RSS.BJP,VHP,BAJRANG DAL,SHIV SENA and many onther communal forces of india.

I believe you should read Akbaruddin Owaisi's comments for which he was jailed. He hinted that Muslims will massacre Hindus if they remove the police. AIMIM is quite a communal force as much or worse than any of these groups you listed. --Sdmarathe (talk) 04:11, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

History

provided references and removed citation needed template.--Omer123hussain (talk) 20:10, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Copyright problem removed

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Elections and performance

In loksabha elections, MIM never crossed a single seat. Even in 2014 it got only one MP from Hyderabad, but it is shown in the table that it got 3 seats? Apart in Assembly elections it got 7 seats in Telanagana, its right, but in AP assembly it has no seats, but mentioned 7 seats? this should be viewed and corrected. Nisar Ahmed (talk) 21:05, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Founder

Somebody had inserted Qasim Rizvi as the founder of the party based on misinformed newspaper sources, which I have now corrected diff. Please note that, as per WP:HISTRS, newspapers are not considered reliable sources for historical matters. Qasim Rizvi was elected the leader in 1944, whereas the party was founded in 1927. Cheers, Kautilya3 (talk) 15:56, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

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Founder

The Founder field in the infobox has been getting corrupted in the last few months. First Qasim Rizvi was added here. And then Bahadur Yar Jung here. These people became leaders of the AIMIM after its founding, in Rizvi's case much later. They are not called "founders". The Urdu source that has recently been added that purportedly evidences this is highly inadequate. A full citation is needed to make sure that it is a WP:RS and a quotation along with English traslation are also necessary. Any further edit-warring over this issue will be reported to the administrators. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 12:26, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

Tag bombing

Hwork21, please explain the rationale for your templates here. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 10:11, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

Kautilya3

Instances in the article that warranted template.

1) "The AIMIM as a political party purports to protect and advance the rights of Muslims in India. It bears true faith and allegiance to the Constitution of India. It purports to believe in the nation’s secular democracy and that it strives to protect and enhance its quality by effective representation from local municipal councils to the Parliament."

The statement is only backed by primary source. Secondary and tertiary sources are missing. Lack of such source challenges both the reliability as well as neutrality, particularly in the case of a political party.

2)" The Razakars, led by Kasim Razvi, were a violent, anti-Hindu Islamist paramilitary organization of self-styled "volunteers" formed, ostensibly, to "resist merger" with India. The Razakars operated as "storm troopers" for the MIM. The 150,000 Razakar "soldiers", supposedly "mobilized" to "fight against the Indian Union" for the "independence" of Hyderabad State, were in reality responsible for large-scale pogroms against the state's Hindu majority of unarmed and desperately poor peasants."

Again, backing with citations is much needed, mainly from historical accounts.

3) "Before leaving, Qasim Rizvi handed over the responsibility of whatever remained of the Ittehadul Muslimeen,"

What constitutes 'whatever remained'? Again, it falls short of wikipedia article writing standards.

4) "AIMIM performed very well in Uttar Pradesh Civic Body Elections 2017 and registered victory on 31 seats out of 78 seats it contested."

The use of 'very well' significantly impacts the quality and neutrality. It is also not backed up by commensurate secondary and tertiary reference.

5) Under the heading "Non-Muslim candidates fielded by AIMIM"

"Interestingly in 2013 local elections party fielded a woman candidate from Hindu OBC, V.Bhanumathi, who won election against Hajira Sultana from Congress by 1,282 votes"

The heading itself reeks of bias. The use of the word 'interestingly' invites a qualitative judgement, which has no place when authoring an encyclopaedia. This is despite being backed by reference, it is not tempered with a proper intro and context. The line suits a news paper article, not a wikipedia article.

6) "On 16 March 2016, Waris Pathan, an AIMIM MLA in the Maharashtra Vidhan Sabha, was unanimously suspended on charges of disrespecting the country for his refusal to recite Bharat Mata Ki Jai when asked to do so on the floor of the Maharashtra Vidhan Sabha at the insistence of Bharatiya Janata Party MLA Ram Kadam. He later said, "I love my country. I was born here and I will die here. I can never dream of insulting my country. Don’t judge anyone’s love for the country by just one slogan." He said he was quite happy to chant Jai Hind, Jai Bharat and Jai Maharashtra"

Now this paragraph has details that do not qualify for presence on wikipedia. It has an excessive amount of intricate detail that caters only to a certain audience, one that has a preconceived bias. The purpose of publishing that on wikiepdia too, is to address such need, a political one usually. That is significantly a challenge to the quality and neutrality of the article.

7)" Floods in Chennai 2015: AIMIM donated over Rs. 4 crores aid to the flood affected victims of Chennai in December 2015. The All India Majlis-e-Ittehadul Muslimeen (AIMIM) President Barrister Asaduddin Owaisi donated over Rs. 4 crores aid to the flood affected victims of Chennai. AIMIM contributed relief materials like food packets, water bottles, general medicines, clothes, blankets, shawls,umbrellas, utensils, mosquito nets, candles, torch, shoes etc. AIMIM members and party workers from Hydrabad, Bangalore, Mumbai, Aurangabad, Krishnagiri, Kerala, Coimbatore, Vellore, Delhi, Pune, Hosur, Salem, Kadappa, Nellore and other parts of India collectively have sent over 45 trucks of flood relief materials under the banner of Chennai Flood Relief Camp. A large team comprising party corporators and party workers distributed general medicines as well as food kits consisting of essential commodities and clothing to affected people. AIMIM also organised free medical camp where specialised doctors treated thousands of flood affected patients. "

Notice how irrelevant and needlessly intricate details have replaced real content. Also, by the principle "Noscitur a sociis" Kerala cannot sit between Krishnagiri and Coimbatore. Both are cities while Kerala is a state. It is counter intuitive and disturbs the structure of the sentence and the paragraph. The parapgraph could have simply said 'logistical support' that is an all-inclusive definition.

8) "2017 Floods in Bihar State: AIMIM donated over Rs. 10 crores aid to the flood affected victims of Bihar State in August 2017"

Notice how vague this sentence is. It is largely colloquial. It is also not properly cited. It looks more like a good will advertisement. Neutrality thus challenged.

9) Last but not least, the edit vandalism pertaining to who the real founder is, is also an indicator of challenged neutrality. ~~ Hwork21

• Ok, I agree that they are all problems that need fixing. But they are very unlikely to be fixed just by putting templates at the top of the article. You need to put inline cleanup tags closer to where the problems are. For situations where secondary sources are needed, you need to use {{primary source inline}}. Just saying "citation needed" won't describe the problem enough. Finally, I would say that if you care the subject enough, you would need to fix the problems yourself. Political party pages basically attract fans and opponents, and they are unlikely to be moved by your tagging. All the best. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 19:30, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

membership

i live tripura north west small state tripura i interested mim kindly contact neme md masahid ali tripura mob 7629836012/8787331081 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 157.51.0.27 (talk) 12:46, 8 July 2019 (UTC)

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AIMIM website used as source

This includes AIMIM's About us page as a source to support what is the "Aim" of AIMIM. I dont think this is appropriate but someone else can maybe present their thoughts. The citations are already excessive over there. >>> Extorc.talk(); 17:46, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

AIMIM ideology

The infobox says "Minority, Adivasi, Dalit Rights,Constitutionalism,Secularism,Democracy" is the ideology of AIMIM. No sources are cited to support this. Previously there used to be a source cited in the Ideology section in the main body of the article which was the AIMIM website itself, a highly non - RS. So this claim is currently unsupported, If someone has any sources supporting this, can drop em here or else i will wait some time and then remove those claims except minority rights. >>> Extorc.talk(); 17:59, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

The mentioned part has been removed. >>> Extorc.talk(); 09:31, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Past tense?

Why does this article refer to the subject in the past tense? eg: "was an Indian political party based primarily ..." "Its aim was to promote the social, economical, and educational development ..."

Does the party not exist anymore? If so, why is its end date not mentioned clearly in the article? If not, why past tense?

Kvwiki1234 (talk) 05:09, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

Objectivity and Neutrality of the Article

How can an Islamist political party that protects and promotes Sharia Laws, Islamist Blasphemy Violence and Bullying, is highly communal in nature, has a well documented history of caste-baiting be considered "constitutionalist, minority rights and dalit rights" based on extremely misleading and doublespeaked claims from its leader i.e. only primary sources? Why is this page given semi-protection? Jonathankent673 (talk) 11:32, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

Sourced content removal

@Extorc, Materialscientist, Doug Weller, and Kautilya3: Abdul raheem 21 has been removing sourced content and so, I request you to issue him a warning.-Haani40 (talk) 04:01, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

Verifiability does not guarantee inclusion. Editorial judgement may decide against inclusion. Abdul raheem 21 has included justification in his edit summaries. The next step is to discuss the disagreement on this talk page. Personally, I don't see why there is a section on Hate speeches at the top of the page as if it is the most important characteristic that overrides everything else. Are the allegations made against the organisation as a whole or specific members/leaders? -- Kautilya3 (talk) 08:19, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

All that content had been removed earlier (it was under a section with a title, "Controversies") and I added it back with a new title, "Hate speeches". Now a new user Abdul raheem 21 removed it again. The hate speeches were by Waris Pathan and Akbaruddin Owaisi but there is a sentence in the end, "Nasreen was later attacked during a book launch for the Telugu translation of her novel Shodh.", so please guide us about how to mention these.-Haani40 (talk) 08:39, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

Move it somewhere to the bottom. "Controversies" is preferable to a section called "Hate speeches". The Waris Pathan statement should be summarised rather than quoted. I see that he has apologised for it. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 09:14, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

 Done Haani40 (talk) 09:50, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

Abdul raheem 21, you can't remove anything from an article if it has a source, even if you don't like it. If you repeat it, I will report it to an admin.-Haani40 (talk) 05:19, 29 March 2024 (UTC)