Talk:Alfredo Bowman

Lawsuits

Why are none of the lawsuits he won, under the lawsuits tab? 160.19.36.25 (talk) 07:58, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

What are the sources for those? --Hob Gadling (talk) 10:16, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

This article was so strangely biased that you could feel the ire that the writer had for Dr. Sebi oozing through their words. It was very strange because while I would never consider Wikipedia to take the place of actual objective academic inquiry, most Wikipedia articles do strive for a more objective tone than this. I'm not even a Dr. Sebi follower but instead was merely curious about the man as I came across reference to him in a documentary. 141.156.93.41 (talk) 05:00, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

If you have source-based suggestions for improvements, bring them. --Hob Gadling (talk) 08:21, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

Urgent Request for Revision of Alfredo Bowman (Dr. Sebi) Article

Dear Wikipedia Community,I am writing to urgently draw attention to the article on Dr. Sebi and to emphasize the pressing need for a comprehensive revision. As someone deeply connected to the work and legacy of Dr. Sebi, I am deeply concerned by the inaccurate and disrespectful portrayal within the current article.The inaccuracies are particularly evident in the description of Dr. Sebi as a "pseudo-scientist" and a "quack." Such labels misrepresent Dr. Sebi's pioneering work and his real contributions to natural health and wellness. It is crucial to note that Dr. Sebi was exonerated in the 1987 Supreme Court case against charges brought up by the Attorney General, which reinforces the legitimacy and credibility of his approach to health and healing.Moreover, the use of the term "quack" is not only inaccurate but also constitutes disrespectful language that misrepresents Dr. Sebi's lifelong dedication to his scientific principles and commitment to the promotion of holistic well-being. I strongly believe that the current article displays bias and lacks the balanced representation necessary to honor Dr. SeAs a poet and advocate for accurate representation, I am eager to engage in a meaningful dialogue with the Wikipedia community to rectify these significant discrepancies. I am prepared to provide verified sources and evidence to support the revision process and ensure that Dr. Sebi's legacy is presented with the respect and accuracy it deserves.I earnestly urge the community to collaborate in the crucial task of revising the article to offer a more truthful, respectful, and balanced portrayal of Dr. Sebi. Your attention to this matter is greatly appreciated, and I am committed to working alongside the community to achieve an accurate representation of Dr. Sebi's remarkable contributions.Thank you for considering this urgent request.Sincerely,

Rahsaan Thomas 166.181.87.52 (talk) 11:21, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Please provide those reliable sources so that the discussion may continue. Primefac (talk) 07:15, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

I understand and acknowledge the limitations in obtaining concrete proof of the 1987 Supreme Court ruling that supposedly vindicated Dr. Sebi and validated the efficacy of his claimed cures. The difficulty in accessing verifiable evidence raises concerns about the level of cover-up that might have concealed this vital information. It's disheartening to encounter such challenges in seeking the truth.While I currently lack the evidence to support the claims about the 1987 Supreme Court ruling, it’s important to emphasize the absence of evidence on the opposing side as well. This serves to highlight a crucial aspect often overlooked in the discourse—lack of evidence does not equate to evidence of lack.It is vital that any article, including those on Wikipedia, reflects a balanced and non-biased voice. Furthermore, the absence of concrete evidence should not detract from the core purpose of presenting a comprehensive and fair view of the subject matter. By maintaining objectivity and respect for differing viewpoints, we uphold the tenets of non-biased discourse and contribute to the accuracy and integrity of content provided on Wikipedia.It is my sincere hope that through continued engagement and respect for diverse perspectives, we are able to foster a more balanced and inclusive representation of important figures and historical events on public platforms such as Wikipedia 166.181.81.2 (talk) 07:48, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

That was a lot of text to basically say that you aren't prepared to provide verified sources as you stated in your opening paragraph. Primefac (talk) 07:52, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Request to Update Dr. Sebi Article on Wikipedia

Dear Wikipedia Editorial Team,I am writing to request an update to the article on Dr. Sebi in accordance with the rules and guidelines set forth by Wikipedia. It has come to my attention that the current article may not align with several key rules, particularly regarding the requirement for maintaining a formal and impartial tone.Rule 2: Formal and Impartial Tone - Articles should be written in a formal, encyclopedic tone, presenting information in a neutral and impartial manner, thus avoiding biased language and personal opinions. The current article on Dr. Sebi may not fully adhere to this principle, as it appears to lack the required neutrality and impartiality expected from Wikipedia content.In light of this, I humbly request a thorough review and update of the article to ensure that it meets the high standards of Wikipedia. Specifically, attention should be given to achieving a neutral and impartial tone throughout the content, avoiding any language that may reflect bias or personal opinions.Furthermore, I urge that the article maintain a focus on presenting factual information and notable opinions, rather than personal interpretations. By doing so, we can ensure that the article on Dr. Sebi meets the foundational principles of Wikipedia, thus providing a comprehensive and balanced view of the subject.I trust that the Wikipedia editorial team will consider this request with due diligence and take necessary measures to uphold the integrity and quality of the article in question.Thank you for your attention to this matter, and I look forward to the potential improvements in the article that will benefit the wider Wikipedia community.Sincerely,Rahsaan Thomas 166.181.81.2 (talk) 07:56, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

See WP:FRINGE and WP:CENSOR. His ideas are not accepted by the scientific community, and we cannot pretend that they are. It would be dishonest. --Hob Gadling (talk) 08:10, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

The rejection of minority or non-traditional ideas by the majority is not a justification for a heavily biased article on Wikipedia. I personally know people who have experienced healing by following the advice of Dr. Sebi. Therefore, I strongly believe that Dr. Sebi deserves a more impartially written article, free from bias. 166.181.81.2 (talk) 08:24, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

When searching for Dr Sebi on Wikipedia I see (Alfredo Bowman - Honduran charlatan). Calling someone charlatan under his name next to the country he was born in is extremely bias and disrespectful. 166.181.81.2 (talk) 08:40, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

I personally know people who Every quackery has its healing stories. People get better without anbody doing anything, and they get better when someone does irrelevant things. In the last case, superstition leads to people believing the irrelevant thing was responsible. If you want to know whether something really works, you need more sophisticated methods.

WP:YWAB will show you how every pseudoscience fan regards the article about that pseudoscience as "biased". "Bias" is the word ignorant people use for "knowledge". --Hob Gadling (talk) 09:16, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Bias refers to a systematic favoritism or inclination towards a particular perspective, idea, or result. It can manifest in various forms, such as personal bias, where an individual's experiences and beliefs influence their judgment, or systemic bias, where societal structures and institutions perpetuate unfair advantages or disadvantages for certain groups. In the context of information or media, bias can influence the way information is presented, leading to a slant or partiality in the content. It's important to be aware of bias and critically evaluate information to understand its potential impact on our understanding of the world. 166.181.81.2 (talk) 13:00, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

That’s why Wikipedia has rules in place to prevent unfair bias interpretation of data. With your replies you are obviously not intellectually fit or emotionally mature enough to interpret controversial people’s legacies. 166.181.81.2 (talk) 13:10, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Also, people got better from (AIDS, HIV, sickle cell anemia, cancer, addiction and many other ailments under his advisory. In addition, the 1987 Supreme Court ruling validated his claims against the Attorney Genrals suggestion that he was not being truthful. The Supreme Court found him to indeed be authentic. 166.181.81.2 (talk) 13:18, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Read WP:FORUM and WP:NPA. You have nothing that can be used for improving the article. --Hob Gadling (talk) 16:07, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Suggestion Re-Write for Alfredo Bowman (Dr Sebi)

Alfredo "Dr. Sebi" Bowman, a renowned Honduran herbalist healer, is celebrated for his pioneering work in natural healing methodologies. His approach centered on the use of herbal combinations and a vegan, alkaline-based diet to support overall well-being. Born in Honduras in the early 20th century, Dr. Sebi's early life kindled a deep interest in traditional herbal practices and their potential application in addressing various health concerns.

In 1987, Dr. Sebi garnered widespread attention when he was arrested by the Attorney General's office, sparking much debate and intrigue within the broader community. Despite the controversies surrounding his methodologies and the legal standing of his claims, his followers revered him as a visionary healer with the capability to address a spectrum of health conditions through his herbal formulations and dietary recommendations.

Dr. Sebi's life and work are notably associated with his distinctive perspective on health – namely, his opinion that there exists only one disease: mucus. He championed the idea that the presence of mucus in the body underpins the development of various health issues, emphasizing the importance of following an alkaline, mucus-reducing diet as a crucial element in disease prevention and recovery.

One of Dr. Sebi's reported claims is that he provided holistic support to a high-profile client list, which included luminaries such as the renowned entertainer Michael Jackson. His role in assisting individuals seeking relief from dependencies on medications, including his efforts to aid Michael Jackson in addressing concerns with painkillers, further bolstered his reputation.

Tragically, Alfredo "Dr. Sebi" Bowman passed away in 2016 while in custody in Honduras—an event that underlined the ongoing interest and debate surrounding his methods and the lasting impact of his teachings. Dr. Sebi's legacy continues to influence dialogues about holistic health and natural healing, stimulating conversations regarding herbal remedies and the critical role of dietary practices in overall wellness.

Dr. Sebi's life and work embody a rich tapestry of holistic health advocacy, herbal healing methodologies, and ongoing discussions surrounding the fusion of traditional practices with contemporary wellness approaches. His teachings have ignited exploration and dialogue within the realm of holistic and natural healing, contributing to an enduring legacy and inspirational impact on holistic healthcare practices.

This article endeavors to provide a comprehensive and neutral account of Dr. Sebi's life and contributions, acknowledging the diverse perspectives and debates that surround his legacy. 166.181.81.2 (talk) 08:27, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

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how was he educated? more about his family and their history. all refernces from people who were healed, lawsuits against patients... 2601:85:4780:4620:38C4:3771:6998:B518 (talk) 02:19, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Education: do you have any reliable sources for that?

Family: do you have any reliable sources for that?

People who were healed: Wikipedia does not do anecdotal evidence.

Lawsuits: do you have any reliable sources for that? --Hob Gadling (talk) 09:21, 27 March 2024 (UTC)