Talk:Alfred Wagstaff Jr.

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The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Move no objection, curiously the example in that section Sammy Davis Jr. now takes a comma. Salix (talk): 08:56, 2 November 2012 (UTC)Reply

Alfred Wagstaff Jr. → Alfred Wagstaff, Jr. – per MoS. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 13:26, 25 October 2012 (UTC)Reply

I have restored the infobox and the inline citations. There is no valid reason for you removing them. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 15:31, 25 October 2012 (UTC)Reply

Do not restore unencyclopedic nonsense. People are not called (with rare exceptions) by their first names in encyclopedias, among other things, Mr. Norton. Besides, I know your addiction to use Sr. when the people actually did not. Just try to skip it. You just admitted at Roswell A. Parmenter that you have no clue, so let it go. The article is fine, and in-line citation are unnecessary. See the guideline, I cited. Propose changes, or challenge statements, on the talk page. Add an infobox, without botching the article, if you like. Kraxler (talk) 15:52, 25 October 2012 (UTC)Reply

I said I had no clue as to your rationale for removing in line references. Every challenged fact must have an in line reference. Wikipedia:Inline citation says: Any statement that has been challenged must use an in-line citation. Wherever you see me adding a citation, I am challenging the fact and instead of adding a citation needed tag, I am adding the citation. There is no Wikipedia rule demanding that they be removed once added. There is no valid reason for removing infoboxes either. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 18:34, 25 October 2012 (UTC)Reply

About the comma between the surname and the "Jr." can you quote the guideline you are referring to, when you removed it, and said that a guideline says we should not have them. Once again you are saying the reason is a guideline but you do not actually quote a guideline. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 18:34, 25 October 2012 (UTC)Reply

It's in Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Biographies#Names section Child named for parent or predecessor. Some time ago this read "Do not add a comma between name and Jr." Period. Years ago I created indeed articles with the comma, until I read this guideline. Apparently it was later changed to "...unless it is the preference of the subject or the subject's biographers." which de facto reverts the previous guideline. If people change the guidelines faster than I can blink, it's no wonder nobody complies with them. So, I'm not opposed to move the articles back to names with comma, until the next guideline change... Kraxler (talk) 13:36, 27 October 2012 (UTC)Reply

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