Talk:Aero Union

U.S. Forest Service airtanker scandal

The section on the U.S. Forest Service airtanker scandal gives what might be a false impression. It says:

"...the USFS, organized a deal with the Department of Defense and the General Services Administration to exchange the grounded planes with more modern C-130a Hercules and P-3 Orion aircraft... Several of the planes ended up being operated for tasks outside of their intend firefighting duties. Some were used for cargo service, dismantled for parts or sold outright at considerable profit. Aero Union exchanged planes with the USFS, with the government retaining the titles and ownership, and was charged with maintaining and operating them for firefighting duties. Instead Aero Union dismantled the planes and sold the parts for a profit..."

However, the U.S. Forest Service airtanker scandal article says that Aero Union got six P-3s and no C-130s in the exchange program. Since Aero Union had seven operational P-3s at the time that their contract was cancelled in 2011, I doubt that they actually dismantled their six P-3s, at least not all of them.

Where's the evidence that they actually dismantled those six P-3s?

Also, the statements that several planes "ended up being operated for tasks outside of their intend[sic] firefighting duties" and that some "were used for cargo service" or "sold outright" seem out of place in this article, and potentially misleading, since I don't believe that any of the Aero Union planes are alleged to have fit those descriptions. That material is already covered in the U.S. Forest Service airtanker scandal article, anyhow, which seems to be where it belongs. Does anyone object to removing that from this article? NCdave (talk) 20:57, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

Okay, the problem seems to be that the news report from the original article is a dead link and the court case in this article is not available on the internet anywhere. I was able to find a copy of the news report and the final line of it says "The supplemental suit accuses the agencies of quietly settling with Aero Union and TBM for illegally cannibalizing four of the planes placed in their hands for safekeeping and not sharing the $750,000 in proceeds." I've also seen some sketchy reports (from the Portland, Or. Free Press) stating that the government retook possession of the parted out planes only to sell them right back to to people that gutted them, in addition to a cache of extra parts to help repair them, for only a few hundred thousand dollars when the planes themselves were originally worth millions. So, while at least 4 planes were allegedly parted out by Aero Union and another firm they were also most likely repaired at some point. One of their P-3s was also destroyed in a crash back in '05 (sadly killing all three crew), so they have definitely acquired more planes outside of the tanker scandal thing. Sadly, most of these news reports are 15 years old or older and have long since dropped off their original publishers websites. I was only able to find these reports from a Google archive of a newsgroup discussion (from 1999) where the full article was reposted in violation of copyright law. How should we handle these missing sources? I rewrote some of the article to reflect this but left the citation needed tag in place. Lando242 (talk) 23:58, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

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