Talk:Abraham op den Graeff

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Occupation

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A previous version of this article identified Abraham as a cloth merchant. That is probably inaccurate. He is easily shown to have been a weaver, along with many of the other early settlers of Germantown, and clearly sold his product as his main source of income. Selling the products of your labor, however, does not make someone a merchant. If that were the case most farmers could be referred to as "food merchants". Merchants normally purchase the goods made by producers, and then resell those goods at a profit. There is no evidence that I know of that this is what Abraham was doing. TwelveGreat (talk) 16:46, 12 January 2017 (UTC)Reply

Pennsylvania Pilgrim

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Previously the article stated

Abraham was a subject of John Greenleaf Whittier's abolitionist poem "The Pennsylvania Pilgrim", published in 1809.[1]

This is commonly said by some genealogists, but is inaccurate. "The Pennsylvania Pilgrim" is actually about the slavery protest letter, and mostly about Francis Daniel Pastorius, the founder of Germantown.


While it is true that Abraham signed the letter (probably written by Pastorius) he was only one of four signers, Abraham's brother Derick also signed the letter. Neither is explicitly identified in "The Pennsylvania Pilgrim" . The closest it comes to referring to them is the line

Or, talking of old home scenes, Op der Graaf
Teased the low back-log with his shodden staff,
Till the red embers broke into a laugh

Since a given name is not given, Whittier could have been referring to either Derick or Abraham Op Den Graef. If one is going to say this poem is about a specific person, then its about Francis Daniel Pastorius who is described at some length particularly in the beginning of the poem. The final lines, which seems to make the point of who this about, is clearly referring to Pastorius

And joy-bells ring, and silver trumpets blow;
But not for thee, Pastorius! Even so
The world forgets, but the wise angels know.

Finally, the Wikipedia article on [[Francis Daniel Pastorius] makes the point that

The Quaker poet John Greenleaf Whittier celebrated Pastorius' life – and particularly his anti-slavery advocacy – in The Pennsylvania Pilgrim. Whittier also translated the Latin ode addressed to posterity, which Pastorius prefixed to his Germantown book of records.


TwelveGreat (talk) 17:15, 12 January 2017 (UTC)Reply


— Preceding unsigned comment added by TwelveGreat (talkcontribs) 16:54, 12 January 2017 (UTC)Reply

References

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Removing several dead links. "Ship Passengers Mentioned in Merion MM Minutes; Chester County, PA." is supposedly in the USGENWeb Archives, but returns (can't find server), and is probably dead. There is, however, no definitive ships passenger list for the Concord. Most lists that are online are reconstructions based on other sources, but are incomplete, or sometimes inaccurate. TwelveGreat (talk) 14:55, 22 February 2017 (UTC)Reply

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