Talk:ABC News/Archive 2
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Requested move 30 October 2015
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The result of the move request was: Not Moved Mike Cline (talk) 13:16, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
ABC News → ABC News (United States) – The current title is unfair. People that are looking for ABC News could be looking not only the American Broadcast Corporation, but also for the Australian Broadcast Corporation and the Albanian Broadcast Corporation. It doesn't not make any sense that the American version gets any privilege. Albanian222 (talk) 19:08, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose. This is the reason we have a page titled ABC News (disambiguation), as well as a link at the top of this article. The American ABC News is what people will most likely be searching for. Georgia guy (talk) 19:26, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose oer Georgia guy. Corkythehornetfan 22:53, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
- Support WP:WORLDVIEW and replace with disambiguation page. The desired topic is most likely region specific, since Australians would not likely want the American topic; while North Americans would likely not know that Australia's existed. There are two competing English-language topics here which are region specific to specific English speaking regions, so a disambiguation page should be at the base location. -- 70.51.44.60 (talk) 06:53, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose. Traffic stats say otherwise. Currently over the past 90 days, ABC News has been viewed roughly 38217 times[1]] compared to 7398 for ABC News (Australia)[2] and only 585 for ABC News Albania.[3] Thus the American one should remain the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Zzyzx11 (talk) 07:19, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose Consensus is pretty well set on most ABC News searches being for the US organization and lesser for the AU organization, while the Albanian org is still finding its feet. Nate • (chatter) 08:23, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
- Support the difference in statistics is probably not enough for this to be primary topic if outside the US it has no primary meaning and in Australia "ABC News" usually refers to the Australian service. Peter James (talk) 11:40, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose. The page views well establish this as the primary topic. kennethaw88 • talk 14:44, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose. The existence of other articles with the same name doesn't mean this isn't the primary topic. WORLDVIEW is only an easy while primary topic is policy. Calidum T|C 17:27, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose: I (almost) couldn't have said it better than Calidum — This is clearly the primary topic, and we don't privilege the advice given in essays like WP:WORLDVIEW over official guidelines like WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. —GrammarFascist contribstalk 16:38, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
- So you mean that because U.S. users make the bulk of the userbase, that all US Topics popular inside the US would then be automatically primary topics due solely to accesses? WP:PRIMARYTOPIC does not say that accesses are the sole measure of primarity. -- 70.51.44.60 (talk) 08:58, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
- Support Number of page views does not necessarily = a primary topic. Nor do the page views establish ABC News US as the overwhelming primary topic. American editors often forget they are not a majority of the English speaking world. Australia, the UK, Ireland, New Zealand, Canada, Jamaica, India, South Africa, and many Pacific and Caribbean Islands. WP:GEOBIAS is highly relevant here. AusLondonder (talk) 09:29, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose per the pageview stats presented by Zzyzx11, which are certainly a valid way to determine a primary topic by the usage criteria. The other candidates do not offer a compelling case for any long-term significance under the other primary topic criteria. The support !Votes provided could easily repurposed to support moving Melbourne because Melbourne, Florida and Melbourne, Derbyshire exist. (We should not do that.) Egsan Bacon (talk) 18:36, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
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Requested move 02 November 2016
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The result of the move request was: Snowball closed as not moved (see immediately preceding section). (non-admin closure) Red Slash 16:53, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
– Article naming placed bias towards the U.S. service, irrespective of other similarly-named services dominant in other countries. Current page title should redirect to disambig page with the U.S. service given parentheses disambiguation in its page title to preserve WP:NPOV and prevent WP:WORLDVIEW. – – Nick Mitchell 98 talk 10:21, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
- This is a contested technical request (permalink). Steel1943 (talk) 13:14, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
- Notifying Nick Mitchell 98 that their move request has been moved here for full discussion. Steel1943 (talk) 13:17, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
- Also, malformed move request updated. Included disambiguation page name change per WP:DABNAME. Steel1943 (talk) 14:56, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
- Oppose. This discussion has gone through too many requested moves. Please review WP:PRIMARYTOPIC and study the properties of this article and the properties of other articles with definitions of "ABC News" and answer the question "How likely is it that someone who does a search for "ABC News" will expect something other than this??" Georgia guy (talk) 13:19, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
- Oppose. 77.5% of pageviews for all things "ABC News" are for this article, and these are not meager numbers either. This is the clear primary topic. Nohomersryan (talk) 16:05, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
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This talk page needs a banner that has to do with requested moves. Georgia guy (talk) 16:59, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
Requested move 10 November 2017
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The result of the move request was: Not moved. per WP:SNOW В²C ☎ 23:26, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
ABC News → ABC News (United States) – disambiguate from ABC News in Australia. Mvcg66b3r (talk) 17:06, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
- This is a contested technical request (permalink). TonyBallioni (talk) 17:09, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
- @Mvcg66b3r: this should be discussed. TonyBallioni (talk) 17:09, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
- Oppose per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. This has been proposed and rejected before multiple times, and the nominator this time offers no new argument, so it is not plausible that consensus has changed. PS: PRIMARYTOPIC doesn't mean primacy in some kind of US vs. Australia way, but the vast majority of sources that refer to "ABC News" without being more specific are referring to the US one. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ >ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ< 18:44, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
- Oppose per SMcCandlish. Georgia guy (talk) 19:32, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
- Oppose per SmcCandlish. This is clearly the primary topic. Corky Buzz by the Hornet's Nest 19:58, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
- Oppose per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Google brings up pages and pages of the US ABC News first, even on Google.com.au. Spshu (talk) 20:14, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
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Senate Denies General Officer Promotion
Would Your News Agency be interested in a story about the U.S. Senate denying a general officer a promotion from one star to two stars based on a Department of the Army (DA) Inspector General (IG) investigation in Wiesbaden, Germany, if there is a cover-up?
Hi— I’m contacting your news agency because I’ve tried to provide this story to larger news organizations and I believe their postal mail, email, and text messages are being censored. A similar story about a Navy admiral took years to get in the news, so I’m not terribly worried. The basic story will eventually break (basic story: In 2016 the U.S. Senate denied a general officer a promotion based on an IG investigation and, wow, is U.S. Army Europe/USAREUR still doing a lot to cover it up). I used to work in Wiesbaden, and I was there when the general had his promotion denied. I sat in a session in which civilian employees were essentially asked if they were being forced to do things they didn’t want to do, and I am fairly certain that’s how the DA IG investigation report will read – once we get our hands on it (I've been trying to break this story for the past two years). If you can obtain a copy of the DA IG report, please post a PDF copy of the report online along with the story when you break it. I can expand on the story once it hits AP newswires. I’m sure it will be redacted, but I can fill in a lot of the blanks. Feel free to call U.S. Army Europe (USAREUR) Public Affairs Office (PAO) at this number: +49-611-143-537-0005 or 0006 Outside Germany, add your country's International Direct Dialing code plus "49" before the desired number. It’s usually 011, but some telephone carriers have different ones; so, normally dial the whole number like this: 011-49-611-143-537-0005 or 0006 Keep in mind that anything the USAREUR PAO says may be part of a cover-up. For instance, if they don’t confirm the basic story, they are perpetuating a cover-up that’s been ongoing since 2016. For some reason they really, really, really do not want the DA IG report to get in the news. Don’t know if this is Pulitzer-level stuff, but it might be.
Current Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request status and how-to: If you would like to be the first news agency to break the story:
- Email the DA IG FOIA Office here: usarmy.pentagon.hqda-otig.mbx.saig-zxl@mail.mil
- Ask for a copy of the “calendar year 2016 IG investigation report that caused the United States Senate to deny promotion to major general officer rank (O-8) for the Deputy Chief of Staff for U.S. Army Europe, headquartered in Wiesbaden, Germany (DA IG FOIA Records Release Office knows the name of the general officer, because I emailed them the name).
- An alternate method to obtain the IG report would be to re-initiate the FOIA request by going here and using a Department of Defense (DOD) IG FOIA account to request the report: https://foiaonline.regulations.gov/foia/action/public/home
- I initially requested the Wiesbaden report through DOD IG FOIA, and they responded by re-directing me to the DA IG FOIA Office. That’s how I know the report is at DA.
I’ll contact your news agency to talk about the cover-up after the basic story finally gets in the news. -- The reason I’m asking for assistance in obtaining the IG report is because I believe my FOIA requests have been blocked as part of the cover-up. Whoever you talk to can say whatever they want, but the key to this story is the DA IG report. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:DF:9BD8:C141:81E1:A85E:A969:7ECD (talk) 20:17, 4 June 2018 (UTC)