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Copy editing notes
editHi there, I'm copy editing this article as part of the GOCE March 2023 Drive. Pinging @PizzaKing13, who made the request.
Just dropping off some quick notes from the start of my copy edit!
Clarify: will all voting be electronic?
- Electronic voting is scheduled to begin in January 2024.[1]
- Only electronic voting, ballots occur on the dates in the infobox.
Clarify: 30% in each category or 30% overall? I think adding "each" or "total" could clarify either way.
- Per article 38 of the Law of Political Parties (Ley de Partidos Políticos), at least 30 percent of a party's candidates for the legislative, municipal, and PARLACEN elections must be women.[2]
- Added total
Can this be updated? i.e., remove wording that implies this is dated, as it's now confirmed
- As of November 2022, twelve political parties are eligible to participate, an increase of two from 2021. The twelve political parties are:[3][4][5]
- Should be good to remove
Clarify wording: don't use "be eligible" in place of register (if this is the case)
- Salvadoran citizens over the age of 18 living in El Salvador have until 7 August 2023 to be eligible to vote, while those living outside of the country have until 5 November 2023 to register.[6]
- Changed to register
Not copy editing, but I found this article that El Salvador could be added to: Right of expatriates to vote in their country of origin. I didn't link to it as it's not super in-depth and El Salvador's not (currently) in it.
References
- ^ Crespín, Verónica (11 January 2023). "PCN Prepara Internas para Elegir Autoridades Partidarias" [The PCN Prepares to Elect Internal Party Authorities]. El Mundo (in Spanish). Retrieved 12 January 2023.
- ^ Peñate, Susana (17 January 2023). "ARENA Propone Subir Cuota de Género en Listas de Candidaturas" [ARENA Proposes to Raise the Gender Quota in Candidate Lists]. El Mundo (in Spanish). Retrieved 17 January 2023.
- ^ "Partidos Políticos Tienen Hasta el 5 de Julio para Realizar Elecciones Internas" [Political Parties Have Until 5 July to Realize Their Internal Elections]. Diario la Huella (in Spanish). 30 November 2022. Archived from the original on 25 December 2022. Retrieved 25 December 2022.
- ^ Genoves, Alessia (12 October 2022). "12 Partidos Políticos Podrán Concursar en Elecciones 2024" [12 Political Parties can Compete in the 2024 Elections]. Contra Punto (in Spanish). Archived from the original on 1 January 2023. Retrieved 31 December 2022.
- ^ "Partido Políticos – Legalmente Inscritos" [Political Parties – Legally Registered]. Supreme Electoral Court. c. 2017. Archived from the original on 5 February 2022. Retrieved 4 February 2023.
{{cite web}}:|archive-date=/|archive-url=timestamp mismatch; 5 February 2023 suggested (help) - ^ Magaña, Yolanda (23 February 2023). "Padrón Exterior Cierra el 5 de Noviembre, Tres Meses Luego de Cierre de Padrón Nacional" [Exterior Registration Closes on 5 November, Three Months After National Registration Closes]. El Mundo (in Spanish). Retrieved 23 February 2023.
Wracking 💬 22:57, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
- I'll probably add El Salvador to the page later.
@Wracking: Thanks for the comments so far on the copy edit. PizzaKing13 ¡Hablame! 07:44, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
- @PizzaKing13 I see now that the page is linked in the lead! (I'm saving the lead until the end of my copy edit.) Wracking 💬 19:05, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
Copy editing notes 2
editHere are the remainder of my notes for my copy edit! Most of these are explanations for content removal, but there's also some more general notes. As always, let me know if there are any issues or questions that arise. Pinging @PizzaKing13, who requested the copy edit.
I removed this sentence, as it's not related to the paragraph/section (expatriate and electronic voting, and allegations of fraud) and its interpretation of the source is tenuous at best. The phrase "lo que Nuevas Ideas intente robar a los votantes" ("what Nuevas Ideas plans to steal from the voters") is (1) not core to the article and (2) does not necessarily imply that the author thinks NI is engaging in election fraud.
- Federico Hernández Aguilar, a columnist for La Prensa Gráfica, claimed that Nuevas Ideas was going to "steal" from voters, and that if the country's political opposition failed to compete in the election, it would "leave the path open" for Bukele's reelection.[1]
I removed this section of text; it could be repurposed elsewhere, but it's not relevant to a section about polling.
- According to polling conducted CIESCA and TResearch shortly after Bukele's announcement of reelection campaign, a large majority of Salvadorans support Bukele's reelection bid,[2][3]
including René Merino Monroy, the Minister of National Defense of El Salvador,[4] and José Luis Escobar Alas, the Roman Catholic Archbishop of San Salvador.[5]
I deleted several charts for opinion polling, as they don't add any information not provided by the tables. If there is more opinion polling done in the future—enough to necessitate switching a table for a graph—then I think the graphs could come back. The graph I've left (Bukele re-election polling) needs some improvements. I think it needs a title, a legend, and preferably the "Bukele announces re-election bid" text wouldn't be running vertically.
Something to keep an eye on in this article is the use of names and making sure not to leave the reader confused. Generally, I erred towards giving full names of individuals, even when they had been mentioned prior. Especially with names like Ortiz, of which there are a few in this article, it's important to clarify.
A lot of the quotes weren't quotes, but translations. I either removed quotation marks or added the original quote as well. See MOS:FOREIGNQUOTE.
An example of why it's really important to be careful about translating sources, and especially important to be careful when putting those translation in quotation marks:
- Carlos Araujo, a former 2021 ARENA deputy candidate, stated that there is "no doubt that Bukele will be re-elected", citing his high approval rating and claiming that the government has "installed a dictatorship".[6]
- Araujo didn't say that Bukele's instituted a dictatorship—he basically said the opposite. The author of the source article (not Araujo) wrote, "Araujo ha dado un giro a su postura, como lo hicieron al unísono varios opositores al no poder contener más la mentira de que los salvadoreños viven atemorizados y que el país ha instaurado una dictadura," which I'll translate as "Araujo has reversed his position, along with several opposition members, when he could no longer sustain the lie that Salvadorans live in fear and that the country has established a dictatorship." I assume this is where the claim came from.
- I've corrected this error but I just wanted to underscore the importance of double-checking how we cite people's views, especially from another language.
I removed the table in #Parliamentary parties. Although it's a great table, it's about the 2021 election and overall clutters this article.
I moved the section ##Election financing to #Electoral system, as it's about the government's running of the election, not the campaigns.
Overall, I think the article does a good job of giving the reader the necessary background on this topic, balancing past context, recent news, and yet-unknown information.
References
- ^ Hernández Aguilar, Federico (13 December 2022). "La Oposición y su Cita con la Historia (III)" [The Opposition and Its Appointment with History (III)]. La Prensa Gráfica (in Spanish). Archived from the original on 13 December 2022. Retrieved 14 December 2022.
- ^ Genoves, Alessia (19 September 2022). "88.3% de la Población, a Favor de Reelección de Bukele" [88.3% in Favor of Bukele's Reelection]. Contra Punto (in Spanish). Archived from the original on 18 October 2022. Retrieved 16 October 2022.
- ^ America Elects [@AmericaElige] (20 September 2022). "Would you vote for the re-election of President Nayib Bukele (NI, conservative) if he decides to run?" (Tweet). Retrieved 16 October 2022 – via Twitter.
- ^ "Ministro de Defensa: "La Reelección del Presidente Bukele Permitirá Seguir con las Políticas de Seguridad"" [Minister of Defense: "The Reelection of President Bukele Will Permit the Continuation of the Security Policies"]. Diario la Huella (in Spanish). 16 September 2022. Archived from the original on 2 January 2023. Retrieved 1 January 2023.
- ^ "Diputada del FMLN Dice Sentirse Triste Ante las Declaraciones del Arzobispo Escobar Alas" [FMLN Deputy Says She Feels Sad After the Declarations of Archbishop Escobar Alas]. Diario la Huella (in Spanish). 26 September 2022. Archived from the original on 2 January 2023. Retrieved 1 January 2023.
- ^ "Carlos Araujo: "No Hay Duda que el Presidente Bukele va a Ser Reelecto"" [Carlos Araujo: "There is No Doubt that President Bukele will be Reelected"]. Diario la Huella (in Spanish). 6 February 2023. Archived from the original on 8 February 2023. Retrieved 7 February 2023.
Wracking 💬 04:50, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
- @Wracking: Thanks for the comments and thanks for the copy edit! PizzaKing13 ¡Hablame! 02:06, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
Cambio Democrático
editCambio Democrático released a statement on 2 June 2023 that their primary elections will include voting for presidential and vice-presidential pre-candidates, but the statement was released on Facebook. They're scheduled for 5 July. I haven't been able to find any sources outside of FB to confirm this though. I'll leave a link to the post. Their Twitter is inactive. SalvadoranSoldier (talk) 14:39, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
Joel Sánchez page
editWill add Draft:Joel Sánchez (politician) page once review is complete. Draft is done.
Results Parliament
editAre they out yet?It‘s been days! 2003:E7:F10:2441:4CE1:1653:9D47:3B7D (talk) 18:43, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
Local
editShouldn't there the local election be its own page since it's a different election, and was held on a different day? Aréat (talk) 04:42, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
- I tried to split them but the background is very entangled with the legislative election (the reductions) so doing so would be difficult. And if it is split, then the PARLACEN election would be either awkwardly left on its own here or made its own article which I don't think it would even be able to stand on its own since there would be very little information on it since basically no one cares about PARLACEN in El Salvador. If necessary, a second presidential round would have also occurred on 3 March, so it is still the same election regardless. PizzaKing13 ¡Hablame! 06:55, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
Copy Edit
editI want to point out a few things (although on the whole this is a very nice article):
- There are a few false cognates from Spanish that appeared throughout the article. I'm not sure if you or someone else translated it but one I really want to point out is that "diputado" is not a "deputy," it's more like representative or member of parliament/congress. I also saw there was a reference to an "affiliation secretary," which I think would more accurately be the "membership secretary."
- I removed some of the original Spanish quotations, especially for very straightforward translations, I don't think it's necessary to keep them in there, since people can check the source or the Spanish version if they want to know what someone said.
- I didn't check this extensively, but you may want to double check that all the references are cited in the right places. There were a few times when I wanted to double check the original Spanish source but the reference didn't seem to lead to what the sentence or paragraph was about.
- @SilkPyjamas: 'Deputy' can be and is used in English to refer to members of parliament. See e.g. Deputy (France). Number 57 19:59, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Number 57, I understand it can be used that way, but I don't think it's the clearest or best translation. The English "deputy," generally does not suggest the same meaning as the Spanish "dipuado." Saying that they're a member of congress or similar is less confusing for the average reader. SilkPyjamas (talk) 21:41, 6 November 2024 (UTC)