Talk:2011 Manhattan terrorism plot
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Title of article edit
I'd like to propose that the article be renamed Alleged 2011 Manhattan terrorism plot, no plot has been proven, the title implies that there was a plot, which is not WP:NPOV. Quasihuman | Talk 22:10, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
I notice that the page has now been moved back to 2011 Manhattan terrorism plot, per WP:BRD, I am now discussing this here. Almost all of the sources cited state that this is an allegation, as should be expected when nobody has been found guilty of anything yet. Furthermore, the grand jury opted not to charge the men on the most serious charge, "second-degree conspiracy as a crime of terrorism and as a hate crime". This source says that the men had "aspirations" of blowing up a synagogue, aspirations are very different from plots. Of all of the sources currently cited, only one (New York Post) mentions a plot without qualifying that with words like alleged or accused. Having the title of this article as "2011 Manhattan terrorism plot" gives an non-neutral impression that this certainly was a plot. I am open to a better wording. Quasihuman | Talk 17:01, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
Requested move edit
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The result of the move request was: page moved. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 23:54, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
2011 Manhattan terrorism plot → 2011 alleged Manhattan terrorism plot – Per WP:Article titles#Neutrality in article titles and WP:BLPCRIME. The current page title gives a non-neutral impression of certainty that a plot existed, nearly all the available sources frame it as an alleged plot, which is a neutral wording. The two living people ,who are mentioned in the article, and are accused of hatching the plot have not yet been tried, therefore WP:BLPCRIME applies. My previous attempt to move this was reverted without explanation, so we can assume that this is a controversial move. I realise that "2011 alleged Manhattan terrorism plot" is a clumsy name, I'm open to better alternatives.--Relisted Cúchullain t/c 12:49, 14 August 2012 (UTC) Quasihuman (talk • contribs) 22:24, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
- Seeing that the DYK entry also says "allegedly", this seems to be true. I agree this could be added to the title. A possible alternative might be "2011 Manhattan terrorism plot allegation". --The Evil IP address (talk) 13:47, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
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Why is the religion -- "Muslim" -- listed for the two suspects? edit
Why does it read "Muslim Arab Americans" at the top of this article. What does religion have to do with it?
The religion of the perpetrators or suspects in most other plots are not mentioned, especially if those plots are by people who most likely are Christian or a faith other than Islam.
The word "Muslim" should be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.243.73.130 (talk) 04:44, 3 May 2013 (UTC)