Category talk:Czech Jews
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Discussion edit
In order to define the parameters of the category as needed, it must be renamed Category:Jews born in what is now the Czech Republic. Until that is done, people who were not both Czech and Jewish cannot be in this category. 141.211.251.69 00:33, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
- If you feel that this is necessary, please refer the category to WP:CfD.--Newport 16:09, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
- I don't want the category deleted, I want it renamed. Did you read what I wrote? Yes, there is a Categories for Renaming but I do not know how this beaucratic process works, and isn't it just easier to come to a consensus with the category developers and contributors? Is it just admins who can move categories?? If so, then I suppose a Categories for Renaming is the only move unless an admin can do this per request. 141.211.251.69 22:20, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
- CfD is Categories for Discussion, not deletion; it is the correct place to discuss renames.--Newport 21:51, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
- I don't want the category deleted, I want it renamed. Did you read what I wrote? Yes, there is a Categories for Renaming but I do not know how this beaucratic process works, and isn't it just easier to come to a consensus with the category developers and contributors? Is it just admins who can move categories?? If so, then I suppose a Categories for Renaming is the only move unless an admin can do this per request. 141.211.251.69 22:20, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
Your parameters are good but they cannot be instituted on a category with this name. A simple rename would solve the problem quite easily as the only way someone can be a "Czech Jew" is if their biography or some other knowledgeable place calls them that. 141.211.251.69 22:59, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
- So if someone was born in France and their parents were, we still can't call them French unless a source so describes them? That would be a gross abuse of WP:NOR.--Newport 21:51, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
"So if someone was born in France and their parents were, we still can't call them French unless a source so describes them?"
Well, yes, that's just about the safest and smartest way to go about it. Why would this be original research? Isn't it moreso original research to assume someone being born in a country is of that nationality? Here are a few examples of where this idea would go rotten:
- The Hungarians of Transylvania have lived in Romania for about 50 or so years. This gives enough time for both the parents, as well as the person in question, to be born in Romania. However, Romanians refers to the latin-speaking ethnic group, while Hungarians (rather Magyar) is itself a separate nationality/ethnic group. Despite this person in question and his parents both being born in that country, it's wrong to call them Romanian. The safest way to solve this problem is find a good reliable sentence somewhere that calls them whatever they are.
- Chechnyans have spent generations under Russia, but call a Chechnyan a Russian, you're going to have a problem. Calling them a Soviet however (during the existence of the Soviet Union) would be ok. "Soviet" is a blanket term.
Besides, most of the people originally on this category weren't even born in independent Czechia. An during the previous times, "Austrian" (a blanket term for a German-speaking inhabitants of the Austrian Empire, though today it's slightly different for obvious reasons) would apply to most Jews born in present Czech lands.
It's not a big deal to just make another category if you want to mention some of these people were born in Czech lands. Or this category can just be renamed if you don't want there to exist a category of Czechs of the Jewish faith. 141.211.251.69 06:28, 16 October 2006 (UTC)