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Howard Bellamy (Doctors) listed at Requested movesEdit

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List of past charactersEdit

Following the discussion to amend the usage of "past" to "former", I wanted to open up a discussion on the lists of past characters – specifically Hollyoaks, Emmerdale, EastEnders, Corrie, Neighbours and Home and Away. Since we agreed to use "former" in the character infobox, should the title of the article that it redirects to reflect that change? So, I'm proposing that the six listed articles be moved to "List of former [soap] characters". There would need to be a lot of link changes if the articles were renamed, but these edits could be performed in moments with autowikibrowser, so don't let the idea of a "large edit task" make you oppose the move, since it wouldn't be a large task. Let me know what you think! – DarkGlow (contribstalk) 13:30, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

There'll be a redirect in place so the links won't need changing straight away, surely? They can be changed if/when editors come across them. - JuneGloom07 Talk 00:33, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
Yeah, so it's not an urgent task by any means. The only thing that won't work is the landing to a specific section. – DarkGlow (contribstalk) 01:23, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
@Soaper1234, Raintheone, DaniloDaysOfOurLives, 5 albert square, and AnemoneProjectors: Just pinging some soap editors here to see if we can get a consensus to amend the page titles to former. – DarkGlow (contribstalk) 15:34, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
We already have the consensus. Just someone needs to make the edits. Unfortunately I can't use AWB on my Chromebook and I don't have enough spare time to do such a big job at the moment.-- 5 albert square (talk) 15:47, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Thanks for the ping. I guess it makes sense for these to match up. The consensus was to use "former" in infoboxes, then we refer to them as "former characters". How many pages would need to be moved? — 🌼📽️AnemoneProjectors💬 15:55, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
@AnemoneProjectors: That's okay! The "past" pages are Hollyoaks, Emmerdale, EastEnders, Corrie, Neighbours and Home and Away. As June pointed out, the redirects that would be created will mean that it will redirect to the correct article, but the piping will break that leads a user to "Last appeared in 2017", for example. – DarkGlow (contribstalk) 16:21, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
I was under the impression that section anchors still work with redirects. For example, check out this link: Albert Square#Turpin Road. Albert Square is a redirect to Walford#Albert Square but that link still takes you to the Turpin Road section. So the links won't be broken. So we would just need to do 6 page moves and the rest should be fine. Unless it breaks in certain browsers? But it's fine in mine. I could do some work in AWB though. I just reinstalled it yesterday! — 🌼📽️AnemoneProjectors💬 16:51, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
@AnemoneProjectors: Oh! I believed it broke anchored redirects. Glad to be wrong since it means less work! I guess, like 5 albert square said, we have the consensus that "former" is preferred to "past", so I can perform the moves now? – DarkGlow (contribstalk) 17:38, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
@DarkGlow: I don't see why not. The only pages you should need to edit are navigation templates, the rest can be left as redirects, at least for now. However, see the reply I'm about to put to you on my talk page. — 🌼📽️AnemoneProjectors💬 17:56, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

Series plot summariesEdit

Hi there, I don't know if this is an active community, but I'll float my question: How does this WikiProject address soap opera plot summaries? At Ishq Mein Marjawan 2 and many other soap opera articles, the Plot section tends to get bloated as each day, people add that day's developments. As you all know WP:TVPLOT wants this section kept at 500 words per season.

An alternative I suggested to these editors was to create an episode list, but I can see that getting massive quickly, since a daily soap will generate hundreds of eps per year. So what's the smart alternative here, and should something be added to MOS:TV to provide guidance about this? Thanks, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:46, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

@Cyphoidbomb: Some alternatives to a soap episode list that I know of are Major Emmerdale storylines and History of Hollyoaks – only major storylines should be included, as well as real-world information of course, but perhaps that is a good alternative? – DarkGlow (contribstalk) 18:32, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
@DarkGlow: Hey there, thanks for the reply. That is helpful. Do you have any examples of these sort of summaries being presented in a main article about the series? Obviously the summaries you pointed me to are beefy content forks, so I'm trying to figure out how to guide editors to build them in a main article until they warrant being forked. Thanks! Cyphoidbomb (talk) 18:37, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
@Cyphoidbomb: The only one I know of is Doctors (since I wrote that). I'd say it's not too lengthy, but covers the main stories? – DarkGlow (contribstalk) 18:42, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
@DarkGlow: I'll take a look, thank you. Is this an active WikiProject? With Soap Operas being insanely popular, especially in Asian nations, it would be helpful to for enthusiasts of soap articles to draw up some guidelines. That's not a criticism of anybody, it's just hard to get people to adhere to a community standard if there's no clear community standard. Lol.   Cyphoidbomb (talk) 18:50, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
@Cyphoidbomb: I know there are a lot of western soap editors on here. I edit British soap pages, and know of those who edit Australian and American soaps. There are some guidelines that we follow on the main page, but it would be good to have a consensus on plot sections I guess! – DarkGlow (contribstalk) 19:23, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

2020Edit

An issue has arose on List of General Hospital cast members. Some actors did not appear in 2020 due to covid and have reappeared this year, so I change the duration to say "xxxx–2019, 2021" as to say that they have appeared since xxxx is a lie, as they have not appeared in 2020. To a reader this assumes that the character has appeared in 2020, when they have not. MOS specifically says to include the years that the character/actor appeared onscreen, not if they were on contract etc. The cast and character lists for years have been about whether the actor/cast member has appeared in that year, and since they didn't appear in 2020, they should not be counted – and I am not doing this to be mean of course, it is simply because if this was a rule, this would mean that A LOT of characters/cast members would have their durations shortened. And durations are speficially there so say whether the person in question appeared on screen that year, and I don't think it should be changed just due to covid DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 23:47, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

Beth Jordache (Brookside)Edit

Why does Beth Jordache from the UK soap opera Brookside not have a wikipedia profile? Played by Anna Friel from 1993-95 is the most iconic character from that show, having had the first lesbian kiss in soap history and the infamous killing of the father who sexually abused her and burying him under the patio? What perplexes me is that relatively minor Brookside characters have been written extensive profiles but Beth has nothing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ATGreen85 (talkcontribs) 00:07, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

@ATGreen85: Write her an article then – see WP:YFA for help. – DarkGlow • 00:29, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

Reliance on the unreliable Daily StarEdit

Hi folks. Just a quick heads-up: many articles belonging to this project, especially about British soap operas such as EastEnders, Neighbours, and Emmerdale, rely on references from the deprecated tabloid Daily Star. Per WP:DAILYSTAR these references should be removed or replaced as soon as possible. You can use this search to find articles using the Daily Star. Kind regards, Robby.is.on (talk) 09:54, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

@Robby.is.on: Hi – I'm relatively sure some soap editors were looking into a carve out for the source on soap articles – Northern & Shell own Daily Star, who also owned Channel 5 (a network of a few soaps) therefore editors feel it is a reliable source for soap reporting. I'm not sure where said carve out is, so I'll ping Raintheone who I'm sure was handling it. – DarkGlow • 12:29, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
I can follow that reasoning. But the Daily Star being deprecated means it "is considered generally unreliable, and use of the source is generally prohibited." (WP:DEPREC). Robby.is.on (talk) 07:20, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
@Robby.is.on: I know about deprecated sources so I know it's likely a matter of time before someone starts to remove the sources; that's why I thought it best to inform you of the potential carve. Therefore, it's perhaps best to wait on removing them until there's a result on that? I'm relatively sure David Gerard is aware of this too. – DarkGlow • 12:26, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
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