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Hungarian SpectrumEdit

Hi, there is an ongoing debate about the Hungarian Spectrum. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Hungarian_Spectrum

If You are interested, please weigh in!

Bias in Puskás Akadémia FC articleEdit

In the Puskás Akadémia FC article there is a section entitled "Trivia" that leans on political propaganda and makes claims without citing sources. It would behoove us to remove this section for the sake of neutrality, as the author is clearly displaying bias with his comments.

Help on Eastern European languagesEdit

Hello!

Our of boredom, I am trying to identify the languages of inscriptions on a fountain located in central Budapest. I could easily identify some languages such as Hebrew, Armenian, Russian, English, French, Spanish etc. but I have trouble with some, mostly Slavic, languages which I do not speak myself. I guess that they must include Czech (or Slovak), Slovene, Croatian/Serbian/Bosniak, Macedonian, Bulgarian and/or maybe others.

Translations of 'The place is ours':

  • Trg je naš / Площадьт е наш (pretty sure that's Bulgarian) / Naš trg / Nas trg / [unreadable] naše je námestie

Translations of 'Non potable water':

  • Водата не е за пиене / Voda ni pitna / Непитна вода / Nepitná voda / Nepitka voda / Voda nije za piće

Translations of 'Open lawn':

  • Ходенето по тревата е разрешено / Dozvoljeno je gaziti (ǧaziti?) po travi / Dozvoljeno gaženje trave

I also do not manage to identify the language in 3 other inscriptions for which glossaries easily available online did not help. Could it be Romani?

  • Náj lasó ráji / Ámáro szi o placo / Pécsár saj ustarén

Is anyone here able to tell which is which? Note that many inscriptions (such as in French and Greek) have spelling mistakes and inconsistent respect of diacritics.

Pictures of the fountain:

Place Clichy (talk) 15:55, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Help with Hungarian handball and basketball playerEdit

There is an Afd of Ferenc Velkei a Hungarian handball and basketball player.

Could somebody with access to arcanum look at the following search results: TEXT=((Velkei OR Velkey) AND (Kézilabda OR Kosárlabda)) DATE=(1930-01-01--1940-01-01)?

Thank you. 🤾‍♂️ Malo95 (talk) 20:50, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

Origin of HungariansEdit

I started a conversation earlier whitout any result, and the user write always "Hungarians have Asian origin" and he reverted my modification. Could you check this? Because this thing is an important topics.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hungarian_conquest_of_the_Carpathian_Basin&diff=1101448771&oldid=1100214097

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Magyar_tribes&diff=prev&oldid=1101448390

I wrote the details on the talk page:

Talk:Hungarian conquest of the Carpathian Basin

I wrote here the details also:

I think this is very simple and not exactly correct to say "Hungarians have Asian origin", because the situation is more complicated, the old Hungarian tribes were not homogeneousan folks, they had not only Asian origin, they had European-Asian mix, and the European component were more dominant. Even we can see this info in the linked source in the pdf link:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/sdfe/reader/pii/S0960982222007321/pdf

https://www.cell.com/current-biology/fulltext/S0960-9822(22)00732-1

"Conquering Hungarians had Ugric ancestry and later admixed with Sarmatians and Huns"

Huns = European Huns

"Hun period samples implies significant Sarmatian influence on European Huns"

"Aside from the immigrant core groups, we identified that the majority of the individuals from each period were local residents harboring “native European” ancestry."

"Most individuals in the study had local European ancestry"

"main admixture sources of Conq_Asia_Core1 were ancient European populations and ancestors of modern Nganasans (Data S6C). The most likely direct source of the European genomes could be Steppe_MLBA populations, as these distributed European ancestry throughout of the Steppe"

"also cluster together with Anatolian and European farmers"

The Ugric group and Sarmatians were Europeans

Other studies confirmed this also:

According to these genetic studies, the vast majority of old Hungarians were Europids. Even a lot of Hungarian conquerors had blue eyes, light brown, red and blonde hair:

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-019-53105-5/figures/4

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-019-53105-5

Only: 20% is east Eurasian:

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-019-53105-5/figures/2

DNA Asian Huns:

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00439-020-02209-4

“Our findings confirmed that the Xiongnu had a strongly admixed mitochondrial and Y-chromosome gene pools and revealed a significant western component in the Xiongnu group studied...”

“We propose Scytho-Siberians as ancestors of the Xiongnu and Huns as their descendants.”

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-018-0094-2

Damgaard et al. 2018, pp. 369–371. "Scythians admixed with the eastern steppe nomads who formed the Xiongnu confederations, and moved westward in about the second or third century BC, forming the Hun traditions in the fourth–fifth century AD... We find that the Huns have increased shared drift with West Eurasians compared to the Xiongnu... Overall, our data show that the Xiongnu confederation was genetically heterogeneous, and that the Huns emerged following minor male-driven East Asian gene flow into the preceding Sakas that they invaded."

Szolad, there is a Necropolis in Hungary at Lake Balaton. Genetics found the same genetic sample from a Bronze Age individual like the royal Hungarian Arpad dynasty has:

https://indo-european.eu/2020/10/longobards-from-scandinavia-and-the-ural-altaic-arpad-lineage

My understanding: Scythian tribes moved east, archeologists found a lot of blonde mummies in the Tarim Basin in Eastern China.

https://www.google.com/search?q=tarim+mummies&client=opera&hs=Ocr&tbm=isch&source=lnms&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjGy-Xlk6P5AhVB8LsIHWcOAkAQ_AUoAXoECAEQAw&biw=1920&bih=970&dpr=1

https://www.google.com/search?q=siberian+ice+lady&client=opera&hs=m0W&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjcjIjTlKP5AhXWh_0HHXRrBwQQ_AUoAXoECAEQAw&biw=1920&bih=970&dpr=1

The Asian Scythians played a key role in the formation of the Asian Hun Empire. The predominantly European-looking Asian Scythians merged with the local population in East Asia and southern Siberia, followed by other European Sarmatians during the Xiongnu period, later Alan elements. The Asian Hun Empire had a civil war and the losing Xiongnu tribes belonged largely to the Europid anthropological type who were displaced to Central Asia in the first century. Expanding to the west they integrated the related Sarmatian tribes and mixed with Sakas (Royal Scythians), and then they suddenly emerged as European Huns. Genetic continuity is detected between Xiongnus and European Huns.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8005002/

"The haplogroup composition of the commoner population markedly differs from that of the elite, and, in contrast to the elite, commoners cluster with European populations."

"the Conqueror elite population originated from an admixture of Asian and European groups on the Pontic steppe."

"suggesting that people with local European origin dominated the ConqC population."

"In anthropological studies, 98 men, 82 women, 74 children (inf I–II), and 20 young (juvenile) individuals have been distinguished; thus there is a male surplus of adults. Taxonomic analysis revealed a predominance of Europeans; Mongoloid traits were observed in four individuals."

"265 individuals were determined, of whom 98 belonged to sub-adult and 162 to adult categories. Based on the skulls suitable for taxonomic studies, the series shows European characteristics with the presence of Cromagnoid and Nordoid elements." OrionNimrod (talk) OrionNimrod (talk) 16:25, 27 September 2022 (UTC)