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Which is better? Sortable rank or rank place score unsortable?Edit

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Your opinions and adviceEdit

A recently discussion Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals/Women's Sport. Your opinions and your advice are welcome. --Geneviève (talk) 18:00, 26 March 2011 (UTC) We are enthusiastic SENIOR CITIZEN figure skater watchers during the Competitions. We would like to mention that the NUMBER MARKS shown on T.V. when the Competitors are skating are very difficult to read in the small box provided. Many of us have difficulty seeing the numbers! We think it's possible for the numbers to be enlarged as there is much more room on the T. V. Screen to provide the increase in size. Since the majority of people are now in their senior years, we think this should have a priority.

Would you kindly consider this change on the weekends for all we seniors who have more time to watch these events than younger persons. Thank you in advance for your consideration of this suggestion.

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"a Euler"Edit

At talk:figure skating jumps no one has yet answered the question I posted on October 10th. Can someone here answer it? Michael Hardy (talk) 18:13, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

Help, please! (Reassessment)Edit

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Notability of clubsEdit

Would it make sense to add to the Criteria supporting notability of skating clubs to include Club is or has been the home club of many coaches who are notable skaters? If there are many coaches who are also notable skaters, it would be  important for encyclopedia to have an article about that club, right? That would be the similar reason to why it is notable for a club with many notable skaters trained there. Z22 (talk) 16:55, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

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WikiWomen's History MonthEdit

Hi everyone. March is Women's History Month and I'm hoping a few folks here at WP:Figure Skating will have interest in putting on events (on and off wiki) related to women's roles in figure skating history. We've created an event page on English Wikipedia (please translate!) and I hope you'll find the inspiration to participate. These events can take place off wiki, like edit-a-thons, or on wiki, such as themes and translations. Please visit the page here: WikiWomen's History Month. Thanks for your consideration and I look forward to seeing events take place! SarahStierch (talk) 21:16, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Template:National Figure Skating ChampionshipsEdit

Isn't this template a bit to wide because of the one-line list of euro-nations ? Couldn't that be spread into 2 or maybe even 3 lines maybe? I would do it, but I'm not sure how to divide it. Could someone fix it ? --Migrant (talk) 16:32, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Figure Skating/NotabilityEdit

I think there should be more discussion of the "criteria supporting notability". I would like to see the criteria expanded. Here are my proposals:

  • 8) Qualified for the Junior Grand Prix Final
  • 9) Won more than one medal on the ISU Junior Grand Prix (not necessarily gold)
  • 10) Met the ISU's minimum score for the senior World Championships (this one is fairly high compared to the other minimums)
  • 11) In the top 30 on the ISU's season's best list (final list at season's end).

Please post your thoughts. Hergilei (talk) 13:40, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

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Notability of theatre on ice teamsEdit

Theatre on ice is one of the two disciplines for team figure skating. So, it is good to clarify on criteria for the theatre on ice discipline. I modeled the criteria based on the notability of synchronized skating teams. The criteria in the second part in synchronized skating are not applicable to theatre on ice, so those are not included. Any other thoughts to add clarification to it? Z22 (talk) 16:07, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Team trophy results template for individual country pages at 2014 Winter OlympicsEdit

I came up with a table:

Team trophy
Athletes Event Men's Ladies' Pairs' Ice Dance Total
SP FS SP FS SP OD SP FD Total Points Rank
Team Trophy

Let me know what you think. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 17:47, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

I don't know much about tables so I'll just comment on some minor details. Under pairs, it should be short program and free skating. For dance, short dance and free dance. I would also remove the capitalization in second words (see WP:MOSCAPS). So with the changes: Hergilei (talk) 20:27, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
Team trophy
Athletes Event Men's Ladies' Pairs' Ice dance Total
SP FS SP FS SP FS SD FD Total points Rank
Team trophy

Thanks! Will edit it in. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 20:31, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

Medal templatesEdit

Several articles on figure skaters (eg Robin Cousins) have templates showing the skater's medal record both inside and outside the infobox. This seems to be a duplication and is not consistent with the practice across other Olympic sports, but another editor objected to my removing the second template from the Cousins article. Is there any legitimate reason why articles on figure skaters in particular should have this second set of templates? If not I would propose removing them. January (talk) 10:04, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

Category:Medalists at ISU championshipsEdit

This category says that it is a Figure skating category in the commenting-line «Medalists at International Skating Union figure skating champtionships», but as far as I know there are also held ISU Championships both in long track speed skating and short track speed skating. So where does those categories go then... in another category or should this category be more specified in its category-title ? Regards Migrant (talk) 11:44, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

My opinion: either this Category should be renamed "Medalists at ISU figure skating championships" or it should include the championship events in both kinds of speed skating. Considering I could not find any existing categories for speed skating world medalists (brief search by looking at categories of several world medalist speed skaters), it might be simpler to rename the category (unless there is someone interested in creating these categories). Kirin13 (talk) 13:44, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

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JGP FinalEdit

On Wikipedia:WikiProject Figure Skating/Notability, does anyone object to changing criteria #7 for skaters to "Won a Junior Grand Prix event or qualified to the Junior Grand Prix Final." Qualifying to the JGP Final is harder than getting to the free skate at Junior Worlds (criteria #3), so I think that should count for notability. Regards, Kirin13 (talk) 08:52, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

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Caelen DalmerEdit

Dear skating experts: This article has quite a few citations to news reports about the subject, but they are not cited next to the appropriate events. Could someone who knows about this subject please improve the article by placing the citations? Thanks.—Anne Delong (talk) 05:20, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Elena Radionova - 2013/14 LPEdit

Hi - i'm hoping someone with better editing skills than I have can correct the box for Elena Radionova's wiki page re programs for her 2013/14 long program. That box had previously said she skated to the music from "Frida" (the movie) (and that was linked to the the film - the suggestion being she skated to the music from the soundtrack). It's been frequently quoted all over the place she skated to the soundtrack from Frida - but that's not accurate. Lena herself said the music wasn't from Frida (the film) when she said "The music actually is not from the movie Frida, but from a group named Frida, and someone arranged it especially for me."link Lena wasn't quite correct on that one. The music for that program was actually from Rope's Album 'Have You Met Miss Bates?' - the specific tracks from that album are "Frida" (where I think the confusion arose from) and "Spanish Swat"

I tried to correct the page (and just messing it up), I finally abandoned my efforts (although it's still not accurate). So - for the "free skating" box for 13/14, it should reflect she skated to selections from "Frida" and "Spanish Swat" from the album "Have You Met Miss Bates" by "Rope". Can someone with more sophisticated editing abilities than I have correct it? Emefaresee (talk) 06:09, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

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Presenting Challenger Series in the Competition Highlight tableEdit

The entry of the Challenger Series varies year to year. For example, there will be only one competition in North America from 2015 and later, possibility alternating between U.S. Classic and Skate Canada Autumn Classic. What would be the best way to present the volatile nature of the entry in the table? One way could be including the status information of the corresponding competition in the footnote section of the table.

Consensus and update on notability guidelinesEdit

Hello. I found that there are a few differences in the notability guidelines between the figure skating section of Wikipedia:Notability (sports) and what is described here, so I tried to update the Wikipedia:Notability (sports) version. However, my modification got reverted. I discussed about the situation in the corresponding talk page, and found a few facts as follows:

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I feel this subject is too large for my own handling. I wonder what other editors think on this change of rules on the notability guidelines. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Seameetsmountain (talkcontribs)

Yes the project one was replaced by WP:NSPORTS in 2010. If you look at the edit history of the project one it stopped being edited then pretty much. Really it needs to be marked historical or updated to match what is at WP:NSPORTS. You would have to look at the archived discussions that happened in 2010 through now at that guideline to see why it was changed from what had been here. -DJSasso (talk) 13:15, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
I see, the two projects got diverged in 2010. With the notability guidelines of WP:NSPORTS, I expect a dozen pages on ISU Junior Grand Prix medalists should be removed, such as Vincent Zhou, Marin Honda, Alisa Fedichkina, Diana Pervushkina, Alexandra Proklova, and Polina Tsurskaya. - Seameetsmountain (talk) 06:23, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
Well I haven't looked at those pages, but remember that WP:GNG overrides WP:NSPORTS. So as long as they have sufficient sources it doesn't matter if they are juniors. -DJSasso (talk) 14:50, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
I'm concerned that many figure skaters could get deleted but we might be able to meet GNG for at least some of them. I believe that Marin Honda has received quite a bit of media coverage in Japan, for example. While I don't know any Japanese, Google Translate might help in locating some useful sources. However, we'll probably lose some JGP gold medalists since figure skating gets very little media coverage (as do most sports with a mainly female audience). It's much more difficult to demonstrate a skater's notability than for example, a baseball player. Hergilei (talk) 15:19, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
Well nothing has really changed...these have been the standards for 5 years. The junior line was only added by someone a few months back after no discussion so there shouldn't be too many articles that are in danger but yes there will probably be some. -DJSasso (talk) 16:33, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

New Programs Shown in Pro-am CompetitionsEdit

A professional skating competition is a rare sight nowadays. ISU sanctions only two pro-am events, held annually in Japan. Nevertheless, some skaters show new programs in these competitions. Would it make sense to add the information on these programs in the skaters' pages? I would appreciate your input. Seameetsmountain (talk) 11:06, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

IMO they should be included (but I admit that I usually don't watch pro-ams so I'm not likely to get around to helping with this). Hergilei (talk) 12:49, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for the input. Usually I follow pro-am competitions sanctioned by ISU. If there is no objection from others, I will add some information to those pages. Seameetsmountain (talk) 14:43, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

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Website on Infobox figure skater?Edit

Should there be a |website= parameter on {{Infobox figure skater}}? See Template talk:Infobox figure skater#website parameter?. TJRC (talk) 23:24, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

Usually, the link to the official website is listed at the "External links" section at the bottom of an article. Wikipedia has a template for the link, Template:Official website. In my opinion, providing additional link at the infobox is redundant. Seameetsmountain (talk) 11:52, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

2017 Worlds photosEdit

Hi, folks. I'm not a member of this WikiProject, but I have just been attending the 2017 Worlds in Helsinki and I took a few thousand photographs, which I've been slowly editing and posting as slideshows on my blog. All of the images are available at full size, unwatermarked, under Commons-compatible terms (I haven't decided on a specific license yet) -- so if there's a photo in one of these slideshows that you're interested in, to illustrate either a concept or a skater's biography, please let me know and I'll upload it (once I get back home). 121a0012 (talk) 22:35, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

Hi, here's a list of skaters who may need a photograph for their infobox (in some cases, their article hasn't been written yet but the skaters have probably qualified for a page, looking at WP:NSKATE). Any photos that you decide to make available at will be greatly appreciated!

Hergilei (talk) 00:45, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

Expect to see some uploads later this weekend. 121a0012 (talk) 03:22, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
Well, it took a bit longer than expected, but I've now identified usable photos of all of the mend's and ladies' singles skaters you requested. Most of them are from bows but I've included a few action shots as well. Please feel free to edit the descriptions as you see fit; generally I've used the ISU's spelling, which seems to be devoid of diacritical marks, and otherwise I don't necessarily know the proper skating terminology to describe some of the things photographed, so you experts go at it! There are one or two cases where it's possible that I've misidentified a skater; hopefully none of those were included in this group of uploads. (And since I have photos of all the singles skaters, if there's anyone else you'd like some photos of, I'd be happy to oblige.) 121a0012 (talk) 01:31, 18 April 2017 (UTC)
Now I've added the pairs you requested as well. I have one photo of Simonen/Penasse that consistently fails to upload, which is unfortunate as it's the only photo I have that clearly shows his face. 121a0012 (talk) 02:34, 18 April 2017 (UTC)
Excellent, thank you so much! Don't worry about any possible errors. I'll start working on adding your photos to the skaters' Wiki pages. Hergilei (talk) 18:41, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
Please feel free to request renames for anything that I misidentified. Also, just to close the loop, I did not take photos at either dance event. 121a0012 (talk) 03:50, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
I was finally able to upload the third Simonen/Penasse photo File:Emilia Simonen & Matthew Penasse (2 of 3).jpg. Not sure why it failed the first three attempts; maybe somebody fixed a bug behind the scenes. 121a0012 (talk) 01:08, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

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Ice dancing questionEdit

Hi WikiProject Figure Skating, I've noticed that biographies of ice dance couples are currently separated out into each half of the pairings. Would it be beneficial to merge the biographies into 1 article? My concern is that most of the content on these pages are essentially duplicated, as the results of ice dance pairs are linked. I've created a merge proposal for Alex Shibutani and Maia Shibutani, but I realized that I should bring my concern here also. Thanks, Natg 19 (talk) 08:21, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

I think the best way to handle this is to have more articles that are about notable ice dancing duos, with duo members having their own articles only if they have achieved notability as individual skaters (or for some other independent reason) or as part of more than one duo. In the article for an individual ice dancer, any sections or subsections pertaining mainly to a notable duo should contain only a brief overview, with a section hatnote directing the reader to the corresponding section in the duo's article, which would be more comprehensive. Right now, a significant portion of Wikipedia's content on ice dancing couples amounts to redundant content forking. For example, the articles Jayne Torvill, Christopher Dean, and Torvill and Dean all exist. The individual skaters' pages both contain a section titled "The professional years 1984–1998, 2006–" and the duo page has a section "The professional years 1984–1998". These three sections, at about 6,000 words each, are substantively identical. The only real differences are that the Dean article lacks prose descriptions for the duo's "Song of India" and "Oscar Tango" dances, while the duo article omits their "Hat Trick" dance (possibly an error) and has a few descriptive embellishments on "Song of India." (There are also formatting, punctuation, and spelling differences.) Other differences are actually indicative of lapses and shortcomings in article maintenance, because there is no compelling reason for a given fact to have differing or contradictory accounts: a dress's color is identified differently, an apparent error; the articles disagree if one of the performances has an extant video recording; and the duo article omits their credits from 2006 onward. The only legitimate, correct difference I could find between these sections in the skaters' articles is that the Dean article contains a single solo credit not attributed to Torvill, when he guest-judged a reality show without her. There is no need to have all this content duplicated. It should be in the Torvill and Dean article, and then be summarized in the skaters' articles, which would also include any information pertinent to them as individuals. --DavidK93 (talk) 16:52, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
This seems like a good proposal to me. Just a note for your example article, actually, the credits from 2006 onward is in the duo article under the "Dancing On Ice performances (2006–14)" subheading (and is actually more well written than the skaters' articles). Natg 19 (talk) 06:45, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

New animation, plus 2018 Worlds photosEdit

I went to Worlds again and took about 6,000 photos. If there are any skaters WP Figure Skating would like to see photos of uploaded to Commons, let me know here and I'll try to oblige. (I don't take photos of ice dance so I can't help with those.) As a test, I also created an animated GIF showing Ryom and Kim doing a twist lift, File:Ryom & Kim 2018 SP twist lift.gif. I'm open to creating more of these showing various elements (and maybe finding some that were better focused or have less motion blur), so I'll take suggestions for that as well if folks think it's useful. I can't promise that I have multiple frames of every skater or every element. 121a0012 (talk) 03:02, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

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RFC: XXXX–XX year formatEdit


There is an RFC related to the year format of the titles of many figure skating articles at Wikipedia:Village_pump_(policy)#Year_range_for_two_consecutive_years.—Bagumba (talk) 10:08, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

FYI, the conclusion was for the move to be reverted. For more info, see 1, 2, and 3. Thanks, 15zulu (talk) 10:29, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

Need inputEdit

I'm wondering if this project is at all active anymore. Since this summer, I've improved 11 articles about figure skating (and currently working on the 12th). (See User:Figureskatingfan/Sandbox 4 I've put requests for advice and assistance several times, but have had very little response. I'd really like it if someone did response, since I'm a non-skater and I'm not sure that I'm describing, paraphrasing, and summarizing well. For example, Compulsory figures just passed its GAN, and the reviewer suggested that I get more help with describing how circles are made. If no one responds, I'll just move forward anyway, and take it as a free pass to do what I, even with my limitations as a non-skater, think should be done. My goal is to have as many articles improved as much as possible before the next Olympics, especially ISU Judging System, so that people can turn to Wikipedia to get accurate, up-to-date, well-written information about figure skating. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 00:03, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

While there's plenty of people editing figure skating pages, with a few very dedicated users, the WikiProject itself is relatively inactive. Also the majority of editors, are figure skating fans and have little to no skating experience themselves. Regardless, probably the best way to get this project active is by posting things on this page & pointing others to this page. Cheers, 15zulu (talk) 00:14, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for your response, 15zulu. I thought I'd put it out here, and then contact editors/skaters individually to ask for assistance. That's always the best way to get the word out, anyway. I get it about skaters not having the time to edit WP; they'll probably too busy practicing those quads, anyway. ;) Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 18:20, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

RM: Ice resurfacerEdit

A requested move discussion is taking place at Talk:Ice resurfacer, and your input would be welcome. Mathglot (talk) 08:05, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

A new newsletter directory is out!Edit

A new Newsletter directory has been created to replace the old, out-of-date one. If your WikiProject and its taskforces have newsletters (even inactive ones), or if you know of a missing newsletter (including from sister projects like WikiSpecies), please include it in the directory! The template can be a bit tricky, so if you need help, just post the newsletter on the template's talk page and someone will add it for you.

– Sent on behalf of Headbomb. 03:11, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

MfD nomination of Portal:Figure skatingEdit

  Portal:Figure skating, a page which you created or substantially contributed tothis project is interested in and may support, has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; you may participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Figure skating and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of Portal:Figure skating during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such a removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 01:33, 10 May 2019 (UTC) Nomination copied by Robert McClenon (talk) 15:57, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

Grand Prix of Figure Skating questionEdit

Hello. I was wondering if medalists in events held before the Grand Prix of Figure Skating was created would pass WP:NSKATE. As each of the events were held years before the Grand Prix was made in 1996, (i.e Skate America, Skate Canada), I'm not sure if they would count under criteria #4 Have competed at a Grand Prix of Figure Skating event. Thanks! --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 21:59, 6 July 2019 (UTC)

Request for information on WP1.0 web toolEdit

Hello and greetings from the maintainers of the WP 1.0 Bot! As you may or may not know, we are currently involved in an overhaul of the bot, in order to make it more modern and maintainable. As part of this process, we will be rewriting the web tool that is part of the project. You might have noticed this tool if you click through the links on the project assessment summary tables.

We'd like to collect information on how the current tool is used! How do you yourself and the other maintainers of your project use the web tool? Which of its features do you need? How frequently do you use these features? And what features is the tool missing that would be useful to you? We have collected all of these questions at this Google form where you can leave your response. Walkerma (talk) 04:24, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

Structure of general articlesEdit

For the past almost two years, I've been at work re-editing many figure skating articles. The most significant work I've done, thus far, are the articles about figure skating disciplines: Compulsory figures (which has become the only FA about figure skating), Ice dance, Single skating, and Pair skating. I suppose that the main Figure skating article will eventually be added to the list. Currently, these articles are structured similarly, but the order varies. For example, some discuss competition elements first, and history/background later; some are reversed. I tended to either follow the structures that already existed, or place them depending upon content.

It has occurred to me, though, that these articles should have the same format. I would like to propose the following structure for these articles:

1 History/background
2 Competition segments
3 Competition elements/requirements
4 Rules and regulations
5 Other (as needed)

Please discuss, and then perhaps we can place our consensus on the main project page. Thanks, all! Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 04:22, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

It's been over 7 days, and no discussion, so I'm going to go ahead and make the proposed changes to the articles listed above. I'll also include this format on the project page. Thanks. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 19:02, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Catherine CarleEdit

Dear editors: Here's a draft about a figure skater that has been waiting for review for some time.—Anne Delong (talk) 19:00, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

I've done some additions and cleanup, but it clearly needs more work before moving to article space. Much of the article lacks sources, to a degree unacceptable for a WP:BLP. TJRC (talk) 19:54, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
I've declined the submission and notified the submitting editor. In addition to the referencing issue, the skater does not appear to meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE.. TJRC (talk) 21:26, 16 March 2020 (UTC)


Hey all, I hope everyone is safe and healthy. My name is HickoryOughtShirt?4 and I'm a member of WikiProject Ice Hockey. I was wondering if there was any interest in starting a WikiProject Sports channel on Discord? There's quite a few of us who are interested in sports, and I think it would be a good idea to help the WikiProject recruit more members. You guys can join us through here.HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 00:07, 13 April 2020 (UTC)


I wondered why axel jump doesn't use capitalisation given that it's named after a person of that name. Indeed, that was discussed on the article's talk page in 2010 without it coming to a conclusion. What that discussion reveals is that many other jumps are also named after people and the issue is therefore broader than just one article. I've had a brief look at this talk page's archive but could not find a discussion on this matter. So, is it deliberate that the name parts of jumps aren't capitalised? Should we have a discussion to make it a deliberate choice, or change the practice, whatever the outcome may be? Schwede66 06:33, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

Well, the ISU capitalises all jumps, but U.S. Figure Skating capitalises jumps named after people. There seems to be no standardization of the capitalisation of jumps. It varies, even among the sports press. In the articles I've been working on, because of the lack of consensus here and other places, it's been my practice to not capitalise. Personally, I think that we should leave it up to the individual editors, and when there's a controversy, that it gets discussed and consensus rules. It's my philosophy not to get into minor controversies like this, so if you or anyone wants to go through articles and change capitalisations, I won't get all bent out of shape. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 18:12, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
Well, looky here what I found! [1] Evidence that U.S. Figure Skating capitalizes jumps (and other elements) that are named after people. I wonder if we should adopt it for this wikiproject, except for the instances in which its policies violate WP MOS. I'd also include references to female skaters as "women" and not "ladies" because as I've already gone on the record, using the more archaic term is also a violation of WP policies and core values. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 04:12, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
Good spotting. So there are only four jumps that would need to be renamed? If so, we could wait a few more days. If others chip in and support this also, that'll be good enough. If there are dissenting voices or no further comments, I suggest we put a formal mass move request up. That way, it'll be sorted once and for all. Are there other editors active in this project? Schwede66 08:22, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
I'd be willing to help. Isn't there some sort of bot that could help us make the changes? Also, please chime in about adapting the U.S. Figure Skating document for our purposes. I volunteer writing an essay to that effect if folks want it. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 15:28, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
AWB is a good tool for this. We may not need an essay; let's wait a few more days and see whether others chime in. We can then decide what to do. Schwede66 04:33, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
Aren't there a same kinda issue in gymnastics related to jumps and leaps too ? Best regards Migrant (talk) 14:26, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
I dunno. Personally, I don't know that much about gymnastics. Migrant, do you know how they solved the issue? Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 15:48, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
Not sure, but this is a link to the Diamidov with a line of images to how it is done. One example of a named bodily movement, I know there are more named moves, jumps, leaps and so on in Gymnastics, but this one was the first that came to my mind. I'm not that into Gymnastics either and my main sport of interest is speed skating and football (US: Soccer), but since I'm a sports enthusiast and a sucker for good sportsachievements. I've heard of this, and that was also the first I've found with some text about it on wikipedia. Best regards Migrant (talk) 22:05, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Right. There hasn't exactly been a flurry of activity by a good number of editors on this issue. Above, I was talking about a mass move request, but that's of course not what we need. As the named part is always (?) the leading part of an article name, the names are always capitalised anyway. What's needed is agreement that usage within sentences sees the names capitalised. What I had considered doing is to start a request for comment (RfC). But since there isn't disagreement here, what might be easier is to simply start capitalising use of the phrase in articles and see what happens. If there isn't any resistance coming from that, we'll just carry on. If there is resistance, this would add to this discussion. If that were to happen, we'll start an RfC. One way or another, it'll sort itself.

I've picked Axel jump and will start changing usage; 282 articles link to it. In the edit summary, I will make reference to this discussion. We shall see what will happen. Schwede66 06:36, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

Yah, I think this is a good plan, Schwede. Thanks for the start; I know it's a big task, even with AWB. I agree that jumps named after persons should always be capitalised. I'm in the middle of something else at this time that I'll hopefully finish today or tomorrow; then I'll start a style essay in one of my sandboxes. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 15:43, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

Discussion at wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2020 August 1#Template:Figure skating competition 6.0Edit

  You are invited to join the discussion at wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2020 August 1#Template:Figure skating competition 6.0. --Trialpears (talk) 13:07, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Style guideEdit

As per previous discussion on this talk page, I went ahead and created a style guide for writing figure skating articles. I put the draft in one of my sandboxes: User:Figureskatingfan/Sandbox 5. Please discuss and contribute as needed. (Let's use the talk page over there in order to centralize discussion.) I especially want folks to look at the prose and if it's comprehensive enough. I think that once consensus is reached about its content, it could be a good tool for those of us who write about figure skating on Wikipedia. I look forward to any and all feedback. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 04:15, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

Excuse the delay; have had a busy patch and then was away for a few days of tramping (as we say; probably known as hiking to you). I've given your draft a copyedit; feel free to reject any of my suggestions. Here are some additional thoughts:
  • "discuss the style advice on the WikiProject Figure Skating discussion page" Those discussions would normally happen on the talk page of the style guide. It's ok to have this happen on the project page, but in that case, I would redirect the style guide's talk page to the project page to avoid ambiguity as to where discussions should be had.
  • The section "Lead" is an orphan. You aren't giving style guidance but it's a maintenance task. I suggest you move that to the heading "Tasks" on the project page.
  • Similarly, your note on linking would be better suited to "Tasks" than the style guide.
Your work is excellent! Schwede66 19:36, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
Thanks, especially for the feedback. Hope your tramping was fun! ;) Will address your comments below. Do you think it's ready for publication? If so, I'll move it over.
  • When we move the document from my draft space, we'll redirect discussion then.
  • I removed the "Lead" section, as per your suggestion. Also the note about linking. Both are in the project page's "Tasks" section.
  • Thanks for the copyedit, especially the silly typos and grammar errors. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 21:23, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
I reckon it's ready! Schwede66 05:35, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
It's published! Please, everyone and anyone, discuss any changes and/or additions. I think it will help us a lot. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 05:09, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
Forgot to include the link. Here's the shortcut: WP:FS STYLE. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 15:15, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

RfC about ice dancer biographiesEdit

Should ice dancer biographies have "combined" team pages for significant pairings?

I have noticed that many ice dancers have individual pages that are essentially WP:REDUNDANTFORKs of each other - for example, mentioning the same information about ice dance seasons and their competition results. I noticed that there is an article for Torvill and Dean, but I do not know if this is a good "precedent" of a combined team page that can be followed. Natg 19 (talk) 00:32, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

  • Comment Sigh... no. Again, Torvill and Dean are an extremely unique circumstance. Sure, people will say "Papadakis and Cizeron" or "Virtue/Moir," but that doesn't mean they should be partnered on Wikipedia! Members of ice dance teams are individuals in the same way that members of the U.S. Women's Soccer Team are individuals. Especially after their careers in ice dance have come to a close, ice dancers become even more different. The argument that the main, and to a large extent, sole, advocate for such a merge largely relies on the Torvill and Dean argument. As one can pull from just a simple read to the introduction to the page. They are huge cultural and figure skating icons who really revolutionized the sport. No other ice dance team has ever come close to their impact, not even Virtue and Moir. Furthermore, the average English person knows Torvill and Dean or has at least heard of them; a good chunk of Americans have never heard of Meryl Davis nor Charlie White. The comparisons simply cannot be drawn, and they're Olympic champions! Though the Shibutanis are indeed Olympic medalists and are extremely successful ice dancers, they didn't have that large of an impact on the sport or on American culture. Therefore, a merged page, or even just a page for the team, is completely unnecessary. I rest my case. Really anyone who is familiar with the sport would likely agree. This is just getting ridiculous. Though the merge was made with good intentions, it really just doesn't make sense. Lilydog945 (talk) 04:19, 20 September 2020 (UTC).
  • Comment What User:Lilydog945 just said. I agree that to start the precedence of ice dancer having merged articles as has been suggested in disrespectful towards the individual dancers and towards the discipline of ice dance, even if the editor who suggested it didn't intend it as such. No one would ever make the same kind of suggestion about a member of a male bobsled team or a college basketball team. So no. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 04:57, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
@Figureskatingfan: I am being convinced that a "merger" of the ice dance partner articles may be incorrect. However, what do you think about creating "group" articles for some notable dancer pairs, and splitting out their career information there (as I did in the Davis and White article)? I mean no disrespect to the athletes, but I am concerned about Wikipedia's policies on content forking, which seems to be happening for many ice dance teams. Is there a good way for the individuals to be properly represented, without having much of the content being duplicated? Natg 19 (talk) 07:12, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
From the Wikipedia notability guideline: "A decision to cover a notable topic only as part of a broader page does not in any way disparage the importance of the topic." Deciding whether or not to have standalone articles is not about being respectful towards the subjects of those articles. As for bobsled teams and college basketball teams, it's simply not true that no one would make such a suggestion. There are a huge number of members of both kinds of teams who don't have articles while the teams do. The Jamaica national bobsleigh team has a page. Among its founding participants, Devon Harris (who is also an author and philanthopist) and Chris Stokes (who is also an author and sports executive) have fleshed-out pages. Dudley Stokes and Michael White have stubs. Freddy Powell does not have an article. Only a handful of players on the 2019–20 Wake Forest Demon Deacons men's basketball team have their own pages. (And this remains true going back to past years, but with slightly increasing numbers because the players have had more time to achieve notability.) --DavidK93 (talk) 22:55, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
I would oppose this as well, for similar reasons I previously stated. As Jasper states below, ice dancers, even though they're part of a team, have differences that can be emphasized in their individual articles. In other words, there are ways to avoid content duplication, although some of it can't be avoided. It hasn't been an issue before, so there's no reason to make it one now. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 22:18, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
It's been an issue all along. Anyone who has an idea about improving Wikipedia is welcome to bring it up--especially if it hasn't been brought up before. As for avoiding content duplication, is there an example of skater articles where it was, in fact, avoided? I'd like to see this as a guide for improving the Shibutani articles. I appreciate Jasper's insight into the idea that the articles could be improved this way, but as a non-expert I'm interested to see more about how it would be done. --DavidK93 (talk) 23:00, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose this kind of merging. I hail from the skating world myself, and can say with certainty that ice dancers, and indeed any member of a skating group of any size, has their own individual traits, upbringing, and history, especially those with partner changes. In general they are not redundant forks of each other. The Shib sibs may be an extreme case due to being siblings, and thus sharing a lot more than other pairs, but I personally know ice dancers who skate together and yet otherwise have nothing to do with each other.--Jasper Deng (talk) 09:33, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Support on a case-by-case basis. Ice dance team articles should not exist to the exclusion of individual ice dancer articles. But if two ice dancers have competed as a team, and a significant amount of article content is duplicated between the two articles, then at least the sections about their partnership should be merged. If the skater has individual notability, his or her article would cover the information about that individual, and sections about their time with the ice dancing team would be summarized with a hatnote directing the reader to the more robust article or article sections about the team and its results. (And note that, even though two individuals who compete as an ice dancing pair will have their own individual biographical information, that information may not pertain to their notability; creating a separate article just to detail their personal lives could be undue weight if the main substance of both articles is still their shared athletic history.) In the specific case of the Shibutanis, the two articles are overwhelmingly identical; there already are not standalone Wikipedia articles about Alex Shibutani and Maia Shibutani, nor do I think there is significant potential for there to be such articles given the currents facts of their lives and their shared notability. Instead, as a result of a redundant content fork, there are two nearly identical articles about Alex and Maia Shibutani; one is titled "Alex Shibutani" and the other is titled "Maia Shibutani." The articles should be merged and retitled so that Wikipedia will have a single, well-titled article about the ice dancing team of Alex and Maia Shibutani, a notable topic. If either of them has or achieves individual notability, there should still be an article about the team to cover their competition history and results, but also an individual article that avoids verbatim repeating of the team information. Broadly, there could be three basic structures:
  • Two notable ice dancers formed a notable team. Like Torvil and Dean. The team would have an article. Each dancer would have an article, with sections about their partnership being summaries with hatnotes linking to relevant sections in the team article.
    • If only one of the dancers merits a standalone article, the other dancer's biography can be covered briefly in relevant sections of the team article.
  • Two ice dancers without individual notability formed a notable team. Like the Shibutanis. Only the team would have an article. Information about the dancers as individuals would be covered briefly in relevant sections.
    • If it helps in dealing with skaters who had multiple partners, there can be a list article for skaters who don't have standalone articles, and wikilinks can lead to that brief content when needed.
  • An ice skater with individual notability participated in a team (ice dancing or pairs) that lacks notability. Like Kristi Yamaguchi and Rudy Galindo. Each skater has an article, and their time as pairs competitors is covered in each article. In this case, the content is substantially nonidentical, as Galindo's article focuses on factors in his life leading into and out of that focus for him, while Yamaguchi's article is a more technical examination of their competitive results and skating style. But with such brief content about fully resolved past events, a redundant fork would not be of great concern.
--DavidK93 (talk) 21:51, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
@DavidK93: Not to be crass about it, but this is not at all the way reliable sources organize information about pairs skaters or ice dancers. Official ISU databases use individual person pages. Figure skating is, more so than other sports, an individual one. Even among highly coupled pairs like the Shib sibs, each partner has a distinct role to play and each article should be focusing on that role. In pairs skating especially, the man plays a vastly different role from the woman. Medals in pairs and ice dance are awarded to the individuals, not the pairs; each skater gets their own medal (have you watched a medal ceremony?). For this reason, having one article on a given pairing is not going to be conducive towards emphasizing this individuality. This distinction is less for synchronized skating and ice theater teams, since the roles are less fixed and specialized, and results for those groups are organized by group and not individual member thereof.--Jasper Deng (talk) 22:08, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
And if that's the case, and there is reliably sourced information about these aspects of Alex's and Maia's athleticism, it could be a good basis for content in individual articles about them. Right now, neither article contains information on this topic. I would likely be more effectively persuaded if you could present an example of what the article content might look like. But I want to be cognizant of the fact that you are not obligated to make such article improvements for your argument to be taken seriously. Assuming good faith, and that this is a type of article content that could be added, I'm more open to the idea of individual ice dancers having standalone articles. But I stand by the position that the large amount of shared information should be included in a team article, rather than repeated in two skater articles. In the case of the Shibutanis, this influences me to suggest that a new team article be split from one of the existing articles, rather than merging the two articles. The redundant content would be moved into the new article and deleted from the standalones. --DavidK93 (talk) 22:34, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
The other issue here is both ice dancers and pair skaters often tend to have multiple partners throughout their career; for example, Aljona Savchenko (who's a pair skater) has had success with two partners. Does that mean that we need to create articles for both pairings? That's untenable. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 22:29, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
It's really not untenable. In fact, very much the opposite, it's simplistic and convenient. The content for the articles is already written. Just split it out from her article into two new articles, and delete the redundant content from Szolkowy's and Massot's articles. In all three skater articles, replace the content with summaries, ideally focusing on the individual skater (their athleticism, etc.). If the content about either pair ever needs to change, it only needs to be edited once, instead of twice. --DavidK93 (talk) 22:43, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose In Tennis Wikipedia, double players each get their own article even if the data is redundant. Even if the players are siblings and have similar backstories, they still aren't combined into one article. I feel the same should be done with ice dancer pairs. oncamera 22:21, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
And why is it good that way? -DavidK93 (talk) 22:45, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
Tennis players can have multiple partners and so can ice dancers, most obvious reason. Should every ice pairing get its own page? It's fine to just update two pages for each skater, don't get why it's a better idea to have a new page for every unique pairing as stated above. Only significant and notable double teams in tennis earn that right such as the Williams Sisters or the Bryan brothers, but even then the individuals still have their individual pages. Tennis article editors don't have this same issue as you when comes to just copy-pasting data on two pages. oncamera 23:00, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
If Wikipedia editors wish to document this amount of information about an ice pairing, then, yes, it should get its own page. I'm confused by the logic that there are these extensive amount of encyclopedic information about topics that are not themselves notable. Copy-pasting data between two Wikipedia pages to support a redundant content fork is detailed as inappropriate in the guideline WP:CWW. --DavidK93 (talk) 23:11, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
It is possible to transclude a section of one page into another, then you wouldn't need to copy-paste it. But still, the skaters should have their own separate articles. oncamera 23:25, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
Thank you. I was about to suggest transclusion, having just been acquainted with it. --DavidK93 (talk) 23:27, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
It seems like we do have combined articles for notable tennis doubles teams, e.g. Bryan brothers (maybe they are the only doubles team with such a page). I have been swayed that for notable ice pairings, they should get their own page, but still maintain individual pages, with content about the individual. Perhaps we could use transclusion. Natg 19 (talk) 00:13, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
Sorry, I just noticed that the Bryan brothers were mentioned earlier. Natg 19 (talk) 00:16, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
There are also a badly sourced-article about the mens double team in tennis of the Woodies, and there are two long success figure skating team with the inclusion of the female skater Irina Rodnina and 2 different male skaters along her side.
So what about the famously named icehockey strong relationsships in this list of ice hockey line nicknames. Why aren't there more articles about them ? Best regards Migrant (talk) 18:03, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
@Migrant:, I'm not sure what your point is here. Do you support merging or combined articles, or are you against them? Natg 19 (talk) 00:46, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Russian Figure Skating CupEdit

Hello members of WikiProject Figure Skating, I think the article in the headline needs some attention. I have the following questions:

  • Is this article relevant?
  • Are there (copyright) issues? The "creator" is blocked in and!
  • Should the article be rewritten from scratch?

--Kallichore (talk) 01:01, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

Request for Comment on SSN at WP:Notability (sports)Edit

There is a discussion on SSN (sport specific guidelines) at RFC on Notability (sports) policy and reliability issues. Feel free to go there and post your comments. Cassiopeia(talk) 00:59, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Proposed change in sports notability policyEdit

A proposal is pending that would prohibit the creation of sports biographies unless supported by "substantial coverage in at least one non-routine source". In other words, articles supported solely by statistical databases would not be permitted, and at least one example of WP:SIGCOV would be required to be included before an article could be created. Also, article creation based on Wikiproject Guidelines would be curtailed. If you have views on this proposal, one way or the other, you can express those views at Wikipedia talk:Notability (sports)#Fram's revised proposal. Fyunck(click) (talk) 09:02, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

Page split for Hanyu articleEdit

There is currently a discussion about a possible page split for the Hanyu biography article which is approaching 250Kb in size. All are invited to the discussion at the review page taking place at this time at his Talk page. ErnestKrause (talk) 14:27, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

Revised standards and guidelines for result tablesEdit

I'm working on the List of career achievements by Yuzuru Hanyu, which has been nominated for featured list status and is now undergoing a detailed review.

All tables in that list article now satisfy the layout and accessibility guidelines from the manual of style:

  • They have suitable captions and scope parameters for header columns and rows.
  • The sorting feature is fully utilized.
  • Tables with dates are sorted chronologically from top to bottom (oldest dates first).
  • Multi-column headers in the middle of tables and nested tables are avoided.
  • Scoring details are added as weblinks with hidden archive-links, so that the reference section is not flooded with competition protocols.

If the page gets the support for featured list status, it might make sense to use those tables as new standard for layout and style in other figure skating articles as well, especially new ones. I would volunteer to adjust tables in existing articles, if there is time and need.

@Figureskatingfan: It might be smart to add the guidelines and samples for tables (like the detailed results for bios pages) to your WP FS style page.

@Jasper Deng: I read the discussion above about merged pages for pairs and dance couples and agree with you that bios pages should be separate. However, in case of Virtue/Moir, who won a huge collection of medals, set many historic records and competed for many seasons, it might make sense to create a similar career achievement page for them together like the one for Hanyu, so that doubled sections on their bios pages like awards, records and detailed results can be moved there. What do you think? Henni147 (talk) 16:27, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

@Henni147: great work. I agree that the tables developed for this list and from the FLC should be adopted for all tables in figure skating bios, and that it's a good idea to add the guidelines and samples to the FS MOS. However, tables aren't my strong suit as an editor, so if you wrote something up I'll take a look at it. I know that you didn't ask me, but I'm okay with creating a list of Virtue and Moir's combined career achievements, like you've done for Hanyu. Actually, it might be a good idea to do the same thing, if appropriate and if the list would be large enough to warrant it, for other skaters' bios. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 17:25, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
@Figureskatingfan: Thanks for your quick response. That would be great, if you created the career achievement page for Virtue/Moir! However, I would wait with that work until Hanyu's page got the pass — to have a sample page that satisfies all latest quality standards. Then I would be willing to help you with the table formatting and linking all the protocols and archive links. That's a very tiring work, but worth the effort.
Footnote: I think, a separate career achievement page only makes sense for skaters who achieved at least 4 of these 5 criteria:
  • competed at least two full Olympic cycles as a senior (8 seasons)
  • won the career Golden Slam or Super Slam
  • set multiple world records
  • got some notable firsts
  • received multiple important awards.
For other skaters I don't think that a separate achievement page is necessary.
I would add the section about table formatting to your WP FS style page. I'm familiar with all the guidelines now and it makes sense to do that as long as the memories are fresh. Henni147 (talk) 20:12, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
@Henni147: you're welcome. I will create the Virtue/Moir list, after Hanyu's list is passed and will definitely ask for your assistance. I agree with your criteria; this should be added to the FS MOS, of course. I'd add, though, that the skater should at least place at multiple Grand Prix competitions. Thanks for what you're doing for these articles; I think that it will make a difference towards our goals of improving as many articles, lists, and bios as possible before the 2022 Olympics. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 20:48, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
Thanks :) I'm not very good with prose (English is my third language), but I'm experienced with statistics and know the IJS and SOV tables very well, so I will focus on the edit of tables and lists in skating articles.
PS: I'm in contact with Phantom Kabocha, who contributed many great recent pictures of Hanyu to Wiki Commons. The user thinks about joining WP and sharing more pictures of other skaters from this huge archive. It's an absolute treasure trove. Henni147 (talk) 21:15, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
Oh then we'd be the perfect team! My thing is content editing (I just finished my first year in graduate school in English literature), and well, I'm not so good at the stats and formatting and such. Both are needed, so now I know where to go for help. That's what we do here: we prop each other up to improve the quality of articles, and fill in where others lack in skills and experience. That's especially true about figure skating articles. Others who are also committed to improving figure skating articles can do the same and use us as resources. And oh-oh-oh! You so need to get your friend to contribute to Commons! That's another need we have, you know. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 02:43, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Briana Pinzón - Help neededEdit

Hello skating friends/fans. I am mostly a contributer to Norsk Bokmål wikipedia, and they have decided to nominate the mexican figure skater Briana Pinzón (Q11962266) for deletion (no:wp). Therefore I would like some help on spanish-languaged sources out there, if there are. Here is the only one I found online but I would guess there are more. Hopefully some would do a research about this figure skater/coach.

Best regards Migrant (talkcontribs) 18:02, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

@Migrant: Blogposts are usually to be taken with care as a source, but this one in English at least shows that the coach is noticed and acknowledged outside Mexico, which supports WP:NOTE. There is a discussion going on, where to draw the line between "sportsperson is notable enough for Wikipedia or not". If the athlete is not mentioned in any reliable secondary source such as newspapers or magazines, the page probably doesn't satisfy Wikipedia's notability requirements. Henni147 (talk) 11:31, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
Thanks for your link and viewpoint, Henni147. Allthough, I was hoping for some scanned newspaper-article-links somewhere about this person/figure skater/figure skating coach. Because I find it hard to make good searches on english or other languages except for norwegian of course since I'm norwegian. Best regards Migrant (talk) 10:22, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
@Migrant: One of the ways that you can contribute to figure skating articles is to work on bios of skaters from the countries of the languages you speak. English is the only written language that I speak, so I don't feel comfortable working on bios of skaters from countries other than the U.S., Canada, and the UK. There's a big need for the creation and improvement of the bios of skaters from, for lack of a better phrase, non-English speaking countries. Henni147, for example, focuses on articles about Yuzuru Hanyu because they're comfortable with using Japanese-language sources. I unfortunately am not, which really limits the kinds of articles I can work on. So my suggestion is that you focus on articles about Norwegian skaters and events and use sources in Norwegian or in the languages you speak. That would be a big help and you'd be able to make a big contribution to this project and to figure skating articles. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 15:48, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
Christine (Figureskatingfan), I consider this just as an advice or suggestion to what I should do and not really an answer to my request for help on the subject raised. Best regards Migrant (talkcontribs) 16:09, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Cannabis and sportsEdit

New stub: Cannabis and sports. Any project members care to help expand? ---Another Believer (Talk) 18:01, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

Help needed: Michelle Edgina AxilleEdit

I'm reviewing this draft Draft:Michelle Edgina Axille at AfC, umming and ahhing about notability (among other things). The sources cited are a bit borderline, so I wondered if anyone could take a look at this person's career achievements, and comment on whether there's anything in there which would make them inherently notable (I have a feeling not, but I'm certainly no expert). Thanks, --DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:43, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

I noted that Michelle Edgina Axille has no International Skating Union (ISU) profile. Also, the Bucharest Open 2021, where she won gold, is not an ISU competition. I think she might become notable in the future (she is 15 years old now), e.g., by becoming a national champion. But I don't see notability for Wikipedia today. --Kallichore (talk) 14:23, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
The problem with this bio isn't notability; it's the sources and its tone, as the explanations for its rejection state. According to WP:WikiProject Figure Skating/Notability#Criteria supporting notability, Axille competed twice at the Asian Open Figure Skating Trophy, an ISU-sanctioned competition (criteria #6) and a couple of Canadian regional competitions (#1 in the non-criteria section). About half of the sources are okay, but they're not formatted correctly. I also agree that the tone isn't encyclopedic enough. There are other issues, which are explained in the comments section of the draft. I suggest that you work on it more and follow the reviewers' suggestions. If you do that, it could have the potential to be a high-quality bio about a subject and an individual that could use the attention. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 16:20, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
Thanks, both. So if I'm reading this correctly, one of you says this person is notable; the other, that she isn't? Also, just to clarify, I'm not 'working on' this draft, I was reviewing it at AfC. Anyway, I've declined it for now, as there are all sorts of problems with it. Thanks, --DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:19, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

List-page for possible inclusions of several figure skatersEdit

Hello I just noticed this list-article List of Olympic medalist families, hopefully someone cares to fill it up with figure skaters. Best regards Migrant (talkcontribs) 20:35, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Pending proposal to declare NSPORTS (and NSKATE) an invalid argument at AfDEdit

A new proposal is now pending to add language to NSPORT providing, among other things, that "meeting [NSPORTS or NSKATE] would not serve as a valid keep argument in a deletion discussion." If you have views on this proposal, one way or the other, please feel free to add your comments at Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)#Subproposal 1 (NSPORT). Cbl62 (talk) 18:00, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

Team competitionsEdit

I noticed that many pages give a "team result" and a "personal result" for team competitions (like here for Nathan Chen under "Team events"). I think it is clear what the "team result" is, but the "personal results" is not that obvious. In the Figure skating at the 2022 Winter Olympics – Team event Nathan Chen started in the short program (1st place) while Vincent Zhou started in the free program (3rd place) (results). Does it make sense to give a personal result here? --Kallichore (talk) 20:23, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

Mohawk renamingEdit

Skate Canada has renamed the Mohawk turn and Choctaw turn to the C turn and S turn respectively. They stated that the reason is “Decolonizing terminology and improving equity, diversity, and inclusion”. The pages for the Mohawk and Choctaw turns don’t mention this at all. I think that this is a very important thing to add and if it is not added it may confuse some Canadian Wikipedia users who can’t find the article that they are looking for. Could someone with better editing skills than me please add this? I would but my editing skills aren’t very good and I don’t want to mess up such an important article.MidnightSooty (talk) 23:30, 11 February 2022 (UTC)MidnightSooty

User:MidnightSooty, all this would take is a little bit of research, which I encourage that you try and do. Believe me, it's impossible to "mess up" any Wikipedia article, since there are plenty of people around who would come behind you and correct any errors, as long as you demonstrate a good faith effort and back up these claims with a source. I've been working on articles about individual elements, but not C and S turns because I didn't think they were important enough, since they're not elements listed as required. This of course, demonstrates the ignorance about figure skating that I still have, despite working on these articles, that someone like you can mitigate, which is why we edit by consensus and by committee here. All that to say: please go ahead and add this important information to those articles and someone will help afterwards. I also wonder if we should go ahead and rename them, for the same reason Skate Canada has. Thanks. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 16:37, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

User script to detect unreliable sourcesEdit

I have (with the help of others) made a small user script to detect and highlight various links to unreliable sources and predatory journals. Some of you may already be familiar with it, given it is currently the 39th most imported script on Wikipedia. The idea is that it takes something like

  • John Smith "Article of things" Accessed 2020-02-14. (John Smith "[ Article of things]" ''''. Accessed 2020-02-14.)

and turns it into something like

It will work on a variety of links, including those from {{cite web}}, {{cite journal}} and {{doi}}.

The script is mostly based on WP:RSPSOURCES, WP:NPPSG and WP:CITEWATCH and a good dose of common sense. I'm always expanding coverage and tweaking the script's logic, so general feedback and suggestions to expand coverage to other unreliable sources are always welcomed.

Do note that this is not a script to be mindlessly used, and several caveats apply. Details and instructions are available at User:Headbomb/unreliable. Questions, comments and requests can be made at User talk:Headbomb/unreliable.

- Headbomb {t · c · p · b}

This is a one time notice and can't be unsubscribed from. Delivered by: MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 16:01, 29 April 2022 (UTC)


As I see some editors of WIKI make parallel ISU opinion = consensus in the sport. But currently it is not. The consensus is a transient thing and it is lost. The strongest FS-women are at Russia, just a fact regardless what you think about the country. The situation changed and ISU does not want to be a manager of them any more. I make a parallel: if we have a popular artist and its PR-manager, and if the artist go, then after all the manager is nothing any more. If the strongest is not allowed to participate at championships declared as the World-level, then you get a special olympics, not a sport and ISU partialy loose its legitimity. Moreover, I see strange proposals to use military dictatorship as a precedent alike it was in 1948 while war-winners dictate to loosers. As for me, dictate does not fit wiki. PavelSI (talk) 16:49, 28 October 2022 (UTC) What do I want: WIKI should reflect global world situation, while ISU partially abstain. Achivements beyond ISU should to be listed (heaving a correct note to sign they are not ISU-verifyed).

Proof of the fact "strongest FS-women are at Russia". ISU Standings [2] (as of 24 february 2022). Since then ISU ignore russians. ISU positions in its own rank №№ 1,2,5,6,7 among the top-10 are baned. This mean ISU standings is not the global common scale now. Moreover, oficial standings were distorted previously due to quotas of 3 persons at one competition - most of russian girls have no competitions previous years and while there 5 persons in the top-10, they share the same 3 quotas. Current day stadings reflect nothing but a political motivated fiction. Purpose of wiki is to describe the world as is, without censorship. Describe sports over the worls. Aim is to use respectable experts, links and scales. ISU as the expert is compromised while it have political motivation. 3-rd party opinions are desirable. PavelSI (talk) 15:19, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
I find the key-words. Noncompetent and compromised. Compromised mean a person pretending to be a neutral judje to keep just one of the combating sides. Non competent mean not to obtain the global information. If some person or organisation does not look and not see the subject of its professional responsibility it become not competent. ISU is noncompetent and compromised. PavelSI (talk) 16:28, 30 October 2022 (UTC)
@PavelSI, if we were to include the records made at national championships for Russia, we'd have to include records from all national championships. Currently, it's the consensus of this project to only include records made at ISU sanctioned, international competitions, as stated here and at Talk:Figure skating jumps. Also at the current time, Russian skaters have been banned from all international competitions, so they aren't eligible to be included in the statistics here. I'm not going to waste my time debating with you the validity of the ISU, but I will spend my time reverting your attempts to bypass consensus due to your own political agendas. The end of result to that can only be your eventual ban from Wikipedia, so I strongly advise you to stop and accept consensus here. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 19:21, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
Our aim is to write a good article. This article priorities are not to propagate any regime or govenment. Jumps and only jumps. The main needed thing is to list jumps possible to execute by human beings. 4LO is possible. ISU in the article act just only as an expert. This expert is required by You and some editors being residents in countries preferred by the ISU. But ISU is not competent and compromised. It does not see the jump for political reasons so loose compenency. What about the ban. Not threaten me please by forced removal. PavelSI (talk) 00:37, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
The situation of ban can long for years. It is not a reason to stop the article renewal if the prefered by You expert is not competent to see facts. PavelSI (talk) 00:48, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
And - yes, You can add records from any national championships, if the article would be better having this info. Collect information, if you have it. Do article better. But I think You simply have no any information to add. PavelSI (talk) 00:52, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
And here is WIKI. Wiki is not only international, it is GLOBAL. And it is the primary consensus I see. Global WIKI mean to describe the whole world. ISU is not global now. PavelSI (talk) 01:53, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
There is a precedent of the roole: ISU sanctioned competition is not reqired if NO ISU competitions available: Axel Paulsen. There was no ISU at all. So as we see, Your position is fake: no true consensus about ISU, fake experts, threating by the WIKI administration's ban - while You promote not neutral point of view and You can be baned yourself. PavelSI (talk) 02:08, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
Not only Axel if 1882 while ISU was not that time. To see the table, Bruce Mapes make 1T at 1920s. Not a competition, but the year is not defined, just a decade. Sonja Henie make 1A in 1920s, Cecilia Colledge 1930s. What is the garbage in the table? But I see, You not remove them. Why??? You remove one russian girl while there are much more information - year, competition, GOE, videos... Politix of double standarts, I see. PavelSI (talk) 03:54, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
I check your edits which you make for years and see - you position legends as the secure information. So it looks to be you are a fake expert too (alike ISU). Will you go to admins to ban me after that? PavelSI (talk) 06:42, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

Wikimedia photosEdit

I see a lot of photos are from someone called David W. Carmichael in commons. Has this person given permission to upload and use any photos, or do we need to ask for permission whenever we want to use a new photo of his? In general, what is the process to upload and use a photo as part of the wikimedia commons for figure skating? I skimmed the page, and I saw some people talking about self-uploads, but that's it. Editor120918756 (talk) 09:01, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

@Editor120918756, Carmichael, who has been generous in donating his photos for many years, isn't the only photographer whose images are used for WP figure skating articles, but his images are obviously some of the best, as evidenced by how many times we've chosen to use them. No we don't have to ask permission every time we use them, since he's uploaded them to Commons for anyone to use freely. I suggest that if you haven't already, go to Commons and to find out how to contribute and use images. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 18:12, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
Oh, no, sorry if I wasn't clear. I meant, are we allowed to upload a new photograph of his from his website without asking? Or are we limited to what's present on Commons, if we don't ask? Editor120918756 (talk) 18:37, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
No problem. Yes you're limited to what's on Commons. I suppose you could ask him to either upload images from his webpage or offer to do it for him, though. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 18:50, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
Thanks for the help! Editor120918756 (talk) 18:52, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

Requesting an Assessment for this projectEdit

First off, I notice there's supposed to be a bot for this project, not sure how it works. Can someone point me to a resource to understand it? Second, how and where do I submit an article to be assessed as part of this project? Editor120918756 (talk) 09:10, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi again, @Editor120918756: I think the bot you're referring to is the bot that goes through all articles to add newly-accessed articles to the statistics tables of all Wikiprojects. It's just something that runs often. Here's info about article assessment: Wikipedia:Content assessment. If you want someone to access a potentially A, B, or C article, you can just ask someone, or you can also just do it yourself. If you want to have one accessed for GA, you have to submit it to GAN, although you can also ask another editor to access it for you. If you want an article assessed for FA, you have to submit it at FAC and go through that often arduous process. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 18:42, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
Thank you! So I can ask someone who's a part of this project to assess an article? I don't think I understand how to do it myself, but I can learn it and do it later I guess. Editor120918756 (talk) 18:45, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
Anyone can, just ask. If you ask me, I can't promise that it will be done quickly, though, since things are moderately busy for me right now. I suggest asking someone on the list of members on our project page who's still active. Best! Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 18:57, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
Thanks for the help :) Editor120918756 (talk) 18:57, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

Requests for assessments, and help for GA statusEdit

Hi, I'd like someone to assess Jin Boyang, Sui Wenjing, and Shoma Uno. These three articles seem like they should B-class for figure skating, and I used Evad37/rater.js to see, and it rates them B-class with high probability. I'm still unfamiliar with assessments though, so would like someone else to do it. These three also seem mid-importance to me because of some of their contributions, or at least Wenjing should be (as should Han Cong).

@Artemisialufkin: and I are also working to bring Yuna Kim up to GA status, and I would appreciate some help with it, so please join us on Yuna's talk page if you're interested. I'll be moving on to Mao Asada after I'm done with Yuna! Editor120918756 (talk) 10:35, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

Anyone? @Figureskatingfan: could you pick up one of these? It's okay if you're slow, just sending you a request. I'll try to ask two other people for the remaining two. And please join us on Yuna Kim talk if you would like to help? Editor120918756 (talk) 15:59, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
Oh! @Figureskatingfan: If I can request, can you do Jin's? There were some reverts based on unreliable sources because of Chinese media news outlets that'd been used on the page, and I redid a lot of it - so I'd love your assessment on it, because you seem to be a part of WikiProject Reliability. Would be great if you looked at the Talk page too, about the news sources. I'll find someone else for the other two. Editor120918756 (talk) 18:47, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
@Editor120918756, I'll take a look at those articles in the next few days. I'll go ahead and assess for B-class and see what else I can do to help out. Thanks for your patience, especially this week. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 21:52, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
Thanks, Christine! Editor120918756 (talk) 04:34, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Reliable sources within Project Figure SkatingEdit

I was talking to figureskatingfan, and she told me goldenskate is technically unreliable, but considered reliable within this project. Does this also apply to things like Inside Skating, Absolute Skating, Skating China, et cetera? I think some interviews and information we will only be getting from these third party sources.

Maybe I missed the section suggesting what constitutes reliable for this project. I'd be grateful for a link, or if there isn't one yet, I'd be happy to participate in a brief discussion and contributing towards making a page for it. Editor120918756 (talk) 18:58, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

@Editor120918756 and everyone, the consensus about Golden Skate and other sources are in the project's Style Sheet; see Wikipedia:WikiProject Figure Skating/Manual of Style#Sources. We can add other sources as we deem them appropriate for this project, of course. Question: the WP policy on relible sources that that sources should be evaluated for relibility on a case-by-case basis. Should we add that to our style sheet? Personally, I think it'd be a good idea. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 18:26, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
@Figureskatingfan: I'd like to add sources like Inside Skating, Absolute Skating, publications from skating federations (I think Skating China would fall into this criteria), archives of IceNetwork.
Yes, what you suggest is a good idea. Editor120918756 (talk) 19:54, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Template for sports biographies lacking sources containing significant coverageEdit

The 2022 NSPORTS RfC added a requirement that all sports articles are required to have a source that contains significant coverage of the topic. To help identify sports articles that lack this I've created Template:No significant coverage (sports); please add it to any such articles that you encounter, and if you are looking for an article to improve the relevant categories may be useful. BilledMammal (talk) 13:01, 22 November 2022 (UTC)