Wikipedia talk:Ultraviolet/2021/February
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Issue in the "warn user" section
Hi. When I am using the "warn user" in RedWarn, if I give it a level 1 or 2 warning what will happen is that there will not be a 'thank you' message on the end of the notice which it should. When I was investigating the cause of this by viewing the source of what RedWarn adds to the vandal's talk page, I find that it adds something like this, when I link the related page to Test: {{subst:uw-vandalism1|Test|'' ''}} ~~~~. When I saw the template description, the "additional comment" will override the "thank you" message at the end of the template, so that even if I don't put any additional info it would still add the template like if I was adding the info but the info is blank. So I would recommend editing the script such that by warning a user without entering an additional comment, it will not add the 3rd parameter on the template so that the message would be less WP:BITEy than without the "thank you" message at the end. Thanks User3749 (talk) 06:28, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
Red warn will fail to post additional text in the warning template
I tried to use Template:uw-notcensored2 with additional text and a Wikipedia diff link in [ http:/ TEXT ] format and posted. The additional text was lost and only the standard template was posted. --Walrus Ji (talk) 08:05, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
Happy Holidays!
The RedWarn team would like to wish you all a very merry Christmas and a happy new year. 🎄🎄 Ed talk! 🎄🎄 16:14, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
And as an shameless plug by me; there is now a Quick Template pack full of Christmas related templates -A
- Ed6767, merry Christmas and a happy new year to you, too! Thanoscar21talkcontributions 16:23, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
- Ed6767, Merry Christmas! Merry Christmas! Asartea Talk Contribs! 16:26, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
- Ed6767, the same to you and your family, stay safe, best wishes from Ireland JW 1961 Talk 16:38, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
- Ed6767, Happy Holidays. Walrus Ji (talk) 16:39, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
- Ed6767, Merry Christmas to you too! Pahunkat (talk) 17:49, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
- @Pahunkat, Walrus Ji, Thanoscar21, Joseywales1961, and Asartea:, thank you all! My best wishes for 2021 :) 🎄🎄 Ed talk! 🎄🎄 19:14, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
- Ed6767, Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you as well! Armadillopteryx 21:28, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
- Ed6767, Merry Christmas and thank you for all your work! Make sure you take personal time and take care of yourself! Double Plus Ungood (talk) 06:19, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
- Ed6767, Merry Christmas and thank you for accepting my suggestions! 4thfile4thrank (talk) 01:21, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
- Ed6767 Merry christmas and happy new year User3749 (talk) 04:25, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
- Ed6767 Merry Christmas and Happy New Year! WDM10 (talk) 06:46, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
- Ed6767 Happy Christmas and a Merry New Year! Chlod (say hi!) 09:15, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
- Ed6767 Oh well wish ArbCom had been a tad faster but, anyway, happy new year and thanks for this wonderful tool again! Cheers, RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 00:40, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
Clear edit summary cache
Hi all. This may have already been asked but a quick search in the archives found nothing obvious. Edit summaries appear to save after using them once, which is awesome. As you start typing, the sentence appears, but is there a way to clear this and start fresh? Robvanvee 18:26, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
Uw-sandbox series missing
Hi. I was recently trying to revert misuses of the wikipedia sandbox, I tried to warn the user with RW but the uw-sandbox1 template, which was the template that I was using, wasn't there in RedWarn and therefore I have to manually send the warning through the "new talk page message" function in RedWarn. Can you please add the uw-sandbox series of template (with all the level 1 to level 4im warnings)? Thanks User3749 (talk) 15:18, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
Two questions again
Hi. I have two questions about first the update of RedWarn 16.1 and second the RW inspector. The first is that the RedWarn 16.1 update doesn't seem to appear on my end, do I have to do it manually or is it still in testing stage? So how can I, if possible, get the RedWarn 16.1 update? Second, the RedWarn inspector was removed in the 16 update, so why is it removed? Will it be added back? Thanks User3749 (talk) 15:25, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
- @User3749, 16.1 is still in development and the current branch is missing patches from the current version so is unstable. RE the inspector, a survey showed <5% of users who took the survey used the inspector, plus the inspector was very buggy and not very user friendly, so we took the decision to remove it. I doubt it'll be added back (in its current form at least) ✨ Ed talk! ✨ 15:29, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
Uw-editsummary2
Could we have {{Uw-editsummary2}} added? It appeared recently in Twinkle. Elizium23 (talk) 04:55, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
- @Elizium23: Thanks for the feedback! We'll add the template to our database. ―sportzpikachu my talkcontribs 06:44, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
- Looks like Sportzpikachu is done with implementing {{Uw-editsummary2}}. We're now waiting for Ed6767 to update the userscript. Chlod (RW • say hi!) 19:03, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
- @Elizium23:
Done with Special:Diff/1005053848. Chlod (RW • say hi!) 19:37, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
Inquiry
How can I install redwarn ? What should I do after coping the text? It says Copy this text to your clipboard which clipboard? Whatsupkarren (talk) 14:33, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
- Whatsupkarren, Hi, you'll need to copy the text to somewhere, which can be done by selecting the text and then pressing copy, navigate to Special:MyPage/common.js and paste it by right clicking and pressing paste, and then save the page. Asartea Talk | Contribs 14:39, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
Notifications on edit
I have found this feature quite useful, though one thing I have noticed is that because it notifies of your own edits, it is more difficult to access certain features after reverting as the page would reload without me taking any action regarding the user, especially if the action is not warning the user but something else requiring me to click out of the warning window such as reporting to AIV. Username6892 17:59, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
nocat parameter in Template:RedWarn topicon is slightly broken
The nocat parameter is slightly broken in Template:RedWarn topicon. According to the documentation, yes is supposed to quote This will stop the category from being added, no matter what
while no is supposed to quote This will add the category to the page, no matter what
. However, adding yes doesn't actually removed the category while adding no removed the category instead which is opposite of what the documentation was stating. Hence I believe there's logic error with the template. — Paper9oll (📣 • 📝) 05:05, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
RedWarn adding additional new line when warning user
Is this a bug? I noticed that RedWarn adds 2 additional new line before the L2 heading when warning user, something that Twinkle doesn't do. Here is the warning user using RedWarn [1] and here is warning user using Twinkle. [2] This only happen when issuing L1 warning to user. — Paper9oll (📣 • 📝) 09:34, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
- @Paper9oll: This is just a side effect of how our warning system works - which automatically adds two empty lines before a heading in order to compensate for user talk pages that already exist. This doesn't do any harm, so we won't be patching this immediately. However, expect that the two extra lines won't be included for generated user talk pages when we get a new version of RedWarn done. Chlod (RW • say hi!) 08:05, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
"Apply Settings and Continue" not working
When I click the "Apply Settings and Continue" button, nothing happens. Owen250708 (talk) 11:18, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
- Owen250708, Hi in which interface of RedWarn is this occurring? Asartea Talk | Contribs 12:12, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
- Asartea it's the settings one that pops up randomly asking you for theme, automation, customising revert buttons, etc Owen250708 (talk) 12:17, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
- @Owen250708: Sorry for the late response. There seems to be a few issues with the first time setup, however we haven't been able to identify them. We're doing an investigation on the cause of this right now, and we'll get back to you if we come up with something. Chlod (RW • say hi!) 07:35, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
- @Owen250708: Thanks for reporting this bug! Sorry for the long delay, but the bug has been fixed and will be released as soon as possible. For now, you can just scroll to the very bottom and click the "apply changes" button. ―sportzpikachu my talkcontribs 09:04, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
- Fixed with Special:Diff/1007340654. Chlod (RW • say hi!) 23:20, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
- Asartea it's the settings one that pops up randomly asking you for theme, automation, customising revert buttons, etc Owen250708 (talk) 12:17, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
So apprarently, I was reverting "unexplained content removal" from 2020–21 CSA T20 Challenge when patrolling recent changes. However, I didn't notice that the content was already self-reverted by IP user hence when I click the revert button, RedWarn loads the revert bar, and after that it said "Rollback complete" then the warning menu pop-up. Me not knowing that nothing was actually revert because the revision to rollback to and the latest revision is actually the same, issue the warning to IP user. Here is the history from 2020-21 CSA T20 Challenge and here is history for IP user which I unknowingly issued warning to User talk:102.223.59.123 (I have since reverted the issued warning).
What I suggest is that, if the version to rollback to is the same as latest revision, instead of displaying "Rollback complete" display something like "Not done" or "Version is same". And also, don't open up the warning menu. — Paper9oll (📣 • 📝) 14:03, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
- The users should then probably still be warned for test edits, or if their edits were some clearer form of clearly deliberate vandalism, then they're probably WP:GAMING and should be warned anyway. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 15:21, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
- @RandomCanadian: Maybe auto-select to Template:Uw-test1 or Template:Uw-test2 or Template:Uw-test3 if needed but then again it won't always be the same case. — Paper9oll (📣 • 📝) 15:50, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
- There's also Template:Uw-selfrevert; I don't know if there are further levels to it. Cheers, RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 13:26, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
- @RandomCanadian: Maybe auto-select to Template:Uw-test1 or Template:Uw-test2 or Template:Uw-test3 if needed but then again it won't always be the same case. — Paper9oll (📣 • 📝) 15:50, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
Tools access for a blank talk page
When creating a talk page, the tools appear but are blank and they cannot be clicked, it'd be great if we could warn a user without having to first create the talk page. Example FozzieHey (talk) 13:31, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
Notify if a user is blocked before making UAA/AIV reports
Today I accidentally reported an already-blocked user to UAA. I noticed that there's no notification on RW if a user is blocked when making a report in comparison to twinkle - could this be implemented somehow? Thanks, Pahunkat (talk) 20:26, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
WP:BITE
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
I was given a WP:BITE warning when I reverted unsourced edits and warned the anon at 11:07, 31 January 2021. There is a level 2 warning on 2 Jan 2021, a level 1 warning on 30 Jan 2021 @ 15:18 and then my level 3 warning on 31 Jan 2021 @ 11:07. It was less than 24 hours after the previous warning. I think that the warning should have been a level 2 and not level 3 warning. The anon seems to be continuing with unsourced edits... Cheers Adakiko (talk) 02:38, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
- @Adakiko, the RedWarn team cannot help with how you choose to use the tool, or how other editors respond to the use of the tool - a reminder that you have the chance to review every action you take, so please make sure you do so :) ✨ Ed talk! ✨ 02:41, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
- @Ed6767: The problem is that RedWarn should have used a level 2 warning and not level 3. The level 2 was stale and my level 3 warning was left after the non-stale level 1. To avoid such an issue, I would need to examine every user's talk page before I left a warning which would make RedWarn rather useless. I don't know if BYTE would have been left if I had limited it to level 2 or not. Personally, I think the BYTE warning was not called for. But then, that's my opinion. Adakiko (talk) 03:06, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
- @Adakiko, if in doubt, in the warn user dialog, click the "see notices for this month" button. This shows the warnings that RedWarn has detected on a page. A new RedWarn update coming soon adds an "advanced" view that lets you see warnings more clearly. The level RedWarn selects is only advisory based on other warnings this month, you are still fully responsible. We are working to improve our algorithms including reading sigs to detect stale warnings, and this is a focus for future patches. ✨ Ed talk! ✨ 03:16, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
- @Ed6767: What I gather from above, to be responsible, I should not use RedWarn. Adakiko (talk) 04:07, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
- @Adakiko, I did not say or imply that. Whether you use our tool is up to you. I have given you my advice on how to use the interface I designed. If you feel you are not comfortable or experienced enough to use a semiautomated tool over one mistake, and are happy to ignore my advice (along with the notes saying you are responsible for everything you do with RedWarn) you should not use it. ✨ Ed talk! ✨ 04:14, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
- @Adakiko: From WP:RW/A:
―sportzpikachu my talkcontribs 04:16, 1 February 2021 (UTC)Do not forget that you are responsible for all edits made with RedWarn. You have the chance to review every action you make. You must use this tool within Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or risk being blocked from editing.
- @Sportzpikachu and Ed6767: If I wasn't being responsible, why would I be having this discussion? So, to be responsible, one must check user's talk page before sending a warning? How many people actually do that? RedWarn left a level 3 warning when it should have left a level 2. The code is buggy and shouldn't be used by any responsible person. Uninstalled RedWarn, I think. Adakiko (talk) 04:26, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
- @Ed6767: What I gather from above, to be responsible, I should not use RedWarn. Adakiko (talk) 04:07, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
- @Adakiko, if in doubt, in the warn user dialog, click the "see notices for this month" button. This shows the warnings that RedWarn has detected on a page. A new RedWarn update coming soon adds an "advanced" view that lets you see warnings more clearly. The level RedWarn selects is only advisory based on other warnings this month, you are still fully responsible. We are working to improve our algorithms including reading sigs to detect stale warnings, and this is a focus for future patches. ✨ Ed talk! ✨ 03:16, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
- @Ed6767: The problem is that RedWarn should have used a level 2 warning and not level 3. The level 2 was stale and my level 3 warning was left after the non-stale level 1. To avoid such an issue, I would need to examine every user's talk page before I left a warning which would make RedWarn rather useless. I don't know if BYTE would have been left if I had limited it to level 2 or not. Personally, I think the BYTE warning was not called for. But then, that's my opinion. Adakiko (talk) 03:06, 1 February 2021 (UTC)