Wikipedia talk:Ultraviolet

Bug Report Feature Request

Going Ultraviolet

Hello there! By now, you may have already noticed that RedWarn hasn't had any major updates since 16.1 (released on March 8, 2021), and we've only been sending out some minor patches and bugfixes since then. In that time, we've been hard at work developing a complete rewrite of the project since September 2020, and we've finally done enough work to be able to release a beta version of this rewrite soon.

Because of many different factors, including the rewrite having diverged so much from the original code, the team has decided to give this version of RedWarn a brand new name. We've decided to call it Ultraviolet; electromagnetic radiation found past the opposite side of red on the visible light spectrum. Releases of the userscript will eventually be available on user pages of 10nm — 10 nanometers being the smallest possible wavelength of ultraviolet light. We're still working on getting a user-friendly version of Ultraviolet available; we ask for your patience as we get closer to releasing more feature-filled builds of Ultraviolet.

Is this a new script or just a rebranded version of RedWarn?

In essence, Ultraviolet is a rewritten version of RedWarn. That said, most of the original code has been removed or replaced. Significant work has also been done to make the process of using the script smooth and universal, removing nearly all of the UI-related bugs experienced in the current version of RedWarn. In addition, we're also working on Safari support, mobile usability, internationalization (other languages), wiki-specific configurations, a dark mode, and a lot more features that make Ultraviolet just work out of the box.

What this means for RedWarn

For a while, we've been holding off on development of further versions of RedWarn in favor of the rewrite. Expanding on the current code is a feat that would take a significant amount of time, on par with just rewriting the script itself. For now, RedWarn will still be supported and given security updates and patches for minor bugs. Once Ultraviolet has been completed and integrates all the features of RedWarn, we will decommission RedWarn and ask users to switch to the new userscript.

What this means for you, as a user

Stick to RedWarn while we're still working on implementing all the features of RedWarn into Ultraviolet. Rest assured, we will still provide updates that prioritize user safety and security, so you can still use RedWarn without the fear of compromise. We highly recommend to anyone who does counter-vandalism patrol often to use only RedWarn for now in order to avoid any catastrophic bugs. We're still finishing up on making the script backwards-compatible with your existing RedWarn configuration, after that we'll begin providing beta versions of Ultraviolet, so that anyone who wishes to use Ultraviolet before it has caught up with RedWarn can do so.

You'll be able to keep on using RedWarn until we've made our first release version (i.e. 1.0) of Ultraviolet. After that, we will require you to switch to Ultraviolet from RedWarn, as we will be dropping support for RedWarn. Although this may be a bit of a bother, we ask for your patience in this eventual transition.

What else this means

We'll be moving away from the RedWarn name entirely in the coming months. The team believes it's important to move away from the name, as most of Ultraviolet has been built from scratch and holds little to no resemblance to RedWarn (at least in terms of the code), and due to some other reasons.

This is a big milestone for us as userscript developers, and we hope to have your full support. In case you have any questions or concerns, please feel free to ask us about them below. Thanks!

Written by Chlod, Berrely, Sennecaster, and Remagoxer. Published by Chlod (RW • say hi!) 19:39, 22 February 2022 (UTC).

@Chlod, is there any update on the progress of this? There's no rush, just curious. — Qwerfjkltalk 21:34, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

Hi there, @Qwerfjkl! The developers are currently busy on a few things, me specifically being busy (in recent months) with Deputy, although now that the bulk of the starting work on that has wrapped up, I can start working on Ultraviolet again. In the meantime, we've been doing some background work that'll help us facilitate the move from GitLab.org to Wikimedia GitLab, and we're currently planning how to perform that migration within the near future. Next up on the list of major features up for implementation is a module for marking pages for speedy deletion, so that's on my list of things to research. Hope this answers your question! Chlod (UV • say hi!) 03:31, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Chlod, is UV is in full swing operation or still in the process of moving? ♒️ 98TIGERIUS 🐯 21:12, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

I think it's still moving but close to completion, I would advise to remain with redwarn as UV is still in beta and doesn't have all the features of redwarn fully implemented. Zippybonzo | Talk (he|him) 21:52, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up @Zippybonzo. ♒️ 98TIGERIUS 🐯 04:58, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

@98Tigerius: All of our old RedWarn pages have moved already. We just haven't changed the top banner since UV doesn't have a 1.0 release yet. Right now, UV is already equipped with a lot of the basic features, and it's just a matter of porting all of the old features back in (and for MAT and Quick Templates, redesigning the process entirely). Implementing these would benefit a sprint, but it's slowly been just me doing the work as other members of the team have been busy with real life things (and so have I). I don't like giving timetables when I don't know if I can fulfill it, so there's no estimations on when UV 1.0 will be out. @Zippybonzo's right in that UV still lacks features, but if you don't use anything in Wikipedia:Ultraviolet/Compatibility matrix labeled "Not yet", then switching over shouldn't be an issue. Ultimately it's up to you on whether you'd like to switch or not. Chlod (UV • say hi!) 07:37, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

Great and thanks a lot for giving more info about the progress of UV. I already used UV for short period but switch back to RW. You are doing well and all development team, keep it up! ♒️ 98TIGERIUS 🐯 13:50, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

Question about RedWarn Patrol

How do I know what edits are bad or good? - Master of Hedgehogs ^{(converse) (hate that hedgehog!)} 12:19, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

{{Uw-copyright-new}} body text revision and improvements

Good day, this is a courteous message to inform Ultraviolet's maintainers and users that:

1.  Implemented: Revision and improvement to the body text in the warning message for {{Uw-copyright-new}}, included in the standard installation of Ultraviolet.
2. Not sure. : This should only affect Ultraviolet, and its users, if the boldtext parameter is used. In such a case,  string of text in |boldtext=string of text may no longer function as expected as the body text at {{Uw-copyright-new/body}} has changed. But it seems it would be used more by users who would add the template manually.
3. Checked: Checked testcases and tried implementation with Twinkle in as many ways as possible. Functioning as expected.
4. Not sure. : Implementation with Ultraviolet as I have no experience with Ultraviolet.

waddie96 ★ (talk) 9:35 pm, Today (UTC+2) waddie96 ★ (talk) 19:56, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads-up, @Waddie96! This shouldn't have any impact for Ultraviolet, but we appreciate the notice. Chlod (UV • say hi!) 09:29, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Add Template:AIV Notice

Hi, can you add {{AIV Notice}} to the list of available warning templates, you could also put an option to give this warning on the report to AIV screen. This way whenever you reported someone to AIV through Ultraviolet you could easily leave a notice on their talk page. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CCWikiMan (talk • contribs) 08:33, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi, @CCWikiMan! I don't see widespread use of {{AIV Notice}} (I see only 11 hits), nor its inclusion at WP:UWT, which is our usual minimum before adding new warnings. Personally, I don't see this template to be that useful, considering we should probably just WP:DENY if someone's reached enough warnings to warrant reporting to AIV. Please do confer this first with WT:UWT, or start relevant discussions to have the template added as part on our processes in WT:VAND or WT:AIV, and we may reconsider this. Chlod (UV • say hi!) 09:34, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Examples of what it does

The project page seems to assume that folks know what it’s like to use Ultraviolet. For potential new users, is it possible to add a couple of examples of what happens when you run it? Would it ping me whenever any possible vandalism happens across Wikipedia? Would I limit it to watch specific editors and/or pages and/or categories? Does it limit itself to my watchlist? Apologies for newbie questions, especially if they’re already answered somewhere obvious. --Northernhenge (talk) 18:14, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

I’ve now seen wp:Ultraviolet/Documentation which is helpful. I still think I’d need to install it and experiment with it to start to work out what it does. --Northernhenge (talk) 09:08, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Quick template?

Hi. I just started using UV and was wondering what "Quick Template" does, as I found no mention of it in the documentation. Thanks. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 09:30, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi, @CanonNi! Quick templates are a feature from RedWarn. We haven't finished re-implementing them, so it does nothing as of now. Chlod (UV • say hi!) 02:06, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! Also, just out of curiosity, when will Quick Template be implemented in UV? '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 02:22, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

@CanonNi: No specific timeframe yet, since we're still focusing on other things. You can subscribe to the task on Phabricator to get email updates for progress on the feature. Chlod (UV • say hi!) 02:42, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Subscribed. Thank you! '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 02:57, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Bug

When doing certain actions, I get an error message saying that "e.data.includes" is not a function. thetechie@enwiki: ~/talk/ $ 00:19, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

@TheTechie: This tends to happen sometimes when using RedWarn. We're still unsure as to what exactly is causing it. I'll file a task for this on Phabricator to keep track of these reports. Chlod (UV • say hi!) 02:08, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

On second thought, we don't have a Phabricator project for RedWarn issues, since RedWarn is mostly in a "security updates only" state. I'll keep track of this locally instead, and will update you if anything new comes up. Chlod (UV • say hi!) 02:12, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Suggestion

I am Suggesting that Ultraviolet (and RedWarn also) should be moved to somewhere else on the page. Because, They are causing layout inconsistency in pages with multiple topicons (like this & this; there are many more pages like these). My suggestion would be placed in the right corner of Article titles (Just like how it appears on Special pages, i.e: Special:Contributions etc.). 𝓥𝓮𝓼𝓽𝓻𝓲𝓪𝓷24𝓑𝓲𝓸 (ᴛᴀʟᴋ) 07:41, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

@Vestrian24Bio: I don't see much of an inconsistency here; the icons show up right next to the topicons, seamlessly blending in. Is this related to the sizing of the icons? Chlod (UV • say hi!) 07:13, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

No, It's the text "From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" which is currently split into two lines, but, if it continues to go on it could be split more, and even the topicons could be split. 𝓥𝓮𝓼𝓽𝓻𝓲𝓪𝓷24𝓑𝓲𝓸 (ᴛᴀʟᴋ) 16:16, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

@Chlod: I added a Screenshot for reference;

𝓥𝓮𝓼𝓽𝓻𝓲𝓪𝓷24𝓑𝓲𝓸 (ᴛᴀʟᴋ) 00:44, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

@Vestrian24Bio: Considering the large majority of pages you'll need to use Ultraviolet with don't have an egregious amount of topicons, this does not appear to be a significant issue. We won't change the position of the icons just because two of your userpages (and perhaps some other user pages on-wiki) appear slightly off because of their placement. Chlod (UV • say hi!) 11:58, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

Problem with Ultraviolet

Hi! I installed ultraviolet 2 days ago, it was working fine; I even performed an action about 2 hours ago. But, now somehow Ultraviolet isn't loading and I was unable to visit any Wikipedia pages (except Wikipedia:Ultraviolet/Install and Wikipedia:Ultraviolet/Install/Easy); After while loading browser displayed an Error message. The problem was solved once I uninstalled Ultraviolet. Please fix the problem and let me know when its ready again to be used. 𝓥𝓮𝓼𝓽𝓻𝓲𝓪𝓷24𝓑𝓲𝓸 (ᴛᴀʟᴋ) 04:35, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

@Vestrian24Bio: We're unable to know more about this issue without more information. A copy of the error message you receive would be a good start. Please see Wikipedia:Ultraviolet/Documentation/Troubleshooting for more information on how to troubleshoot issues related to Ultraviolet. Chlod (UV • say hi!) 07:14, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

@Chlod: Added a Screenshot;

𝓥𝓮𝓼𝓽𝓻𝓲𝓪𝓷24𝓑𝓲𝓸 (ᴛᴀʟᴋ) 01:01, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

Note: This problem existed on 19th April, 2024; but, not anymore. 𝓥𝓮𝓼𝓽𝓻𝓲𝓪𝓷24𝓑𝓲𝓸 (ᴛᴀʟᴋ) 01:02, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

@Vestrian24Bio: This is not an issue related to Ultraviolet, but an issue with your browser or computer. RESULT_CODE_KILLED indicates that the Microsoft Edge process handling the tab for Wikipedia was killed, either by you, a task manager, an anti-virus, or some other process on your computer. We are unable to provide further assistance for this, but if it's not an issue anymore, then it shouldn't be required anyway. Chlod (UV • say hi!) 11:54, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Uw-vandalism4il

Template:Uw-vandalism4il has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 20:55, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Uw-wnr4il

Template:Uw-wnr4il has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. Stefen Tower_{s among the rest!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 21:09, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

How to contribute?

I would like to contribute to UV. Is this possible? If you reply here, please ping me. Thanks! --- thetechie@enwiki: ~/talk/ $ 01:28, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi, @TheTechie, and thank you for your interest! Ultraviolet's source code is available publicly at gitlab:repos/10nm/ultraviolet. To contribute, you'll need a Wikimedia developer account. By default, accounts on the Wikimedia GitLab are blocked pending approval; you'll need to request access with this form to be approved. Chlod (UV • say hi!) 08:28, 25 April 2024 (UTC)