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TFA blurb

The Symphony No. 4 in G major by Gustav Mahler was first performed in Munich on 25 November 1901 by the composer and the Kaim Orchestra. It is smaller in orchestration, shorter in length and more accessible than Mahler's earlier symphonies. The premiere and a subsequent German tour were poorly received by audiences and critics, and in 1905, 1910 and 1911 Mahler made revisions to the work. His last performances of the symphony were with the New York Philharmonic and the soprano Bella Alten in 1911 in Carnegie Hall. After Mahler's death, the symphony was performed under conductors including Willem Mengelberg and Bruno Walter; its first recording is a 1930 Japanese rendition conducted by Hidemaro Konoye. During the 1940s, the Fourth received performances from the London Philharmonic Orchestra conducted by Anatole Fistoulari and the BBC Symphony Orchestra conducted by Adrian Boult, contributing to what Donald Mitchell has called "the Mahler 'boom' in England". (Full article...)

Comments and edits are welcome. - Dank (push to talk) 03:18, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

Comment Are we planning to run this TFA while the midi files are still broken? This was raised (by me) at the FAC. Graham Beards (talk) 10:08, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

The blurb includes no plans, just a suggestion for when it might happen, which is not this year --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:01, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

@WP:TFA coordinators , this, and also see Gerda's comment on my talk page. - Dank (push to talk) 13:42, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

I don't think that whether it runs as TFA should be dependent on files that won't appear in the blurb, unless Gerda objects to its running, regardless of whether the blurb is amended or not, I see no reason to pull it Jimfbleak - talk to me? 13:48, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

Graham, any thoughts on the blurb? - Dank (push to talk) 14:02, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

GeneralPoxter, any thoughts on the blurb? - Dank (push to talk) 14:15, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

I feel like this blurb has too much emphasis on the performance history over the music itself. At least a mention of the four-movement structure and Das Himmlische Leben? GeneralPoxter (talk • contribs) 14:25, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

No objection from me. - Dank (push to talk) 14:59, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

It would be preferable to wait for any updates regarding the score sound issue before deciding to run this as TFA, but this fix is largely out of anyone here's control. GeneralPoxter (talk • contribs) 18:32, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Gerda's version

The Symphony No. 4 in G major by Gustav Mahler was composed from 1899 to 1900, incorporating a song that he wrote in 1892. That song, "Das himmlische Leben", presents a child's vision of heaven and is sung by a soprano in the symphony's fourth and final movement. The Fourth Symphony was both smaller in orchestration and shorter in length than Mahler's earlier symphonies. The premiere was performed in Munich on 25 November 1901 by the Kaim Orchestra conducted by the composer. It was met with negative audience and critical reception over the work's confusing intentions and perceived inferiority to the Second Symphony. The work received its American and British premieres in 1904 and 1905, respectively. After Mahler's death, the symphony continued to receive performances under conductors such as Willem Mengelberg and Bruno Walter, and its first recording is a 1930 Japanese rendition conducted by Hidemaro Konoye that is also the first electrical recording of any Mahler symphony. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:35, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

Kaim-Saal in Munich, 1895 drawing

I suggest to use this image of the premiere hall for the blurb instead of the well-known portrait of the composer, and even the title page. Provided it goes to the article. We should find out when exactly the Kaim-Saal was named Tonhalle. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:41, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

The issues here probably won't be too hard to work out, if we can get more discussion on the major points. - Dank (push to talk) 14:48, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

I like this blurb more, but I have concerns over the image: the image of the Kaim-Saal did not pass the FAC image review and had to be removed from the article before promotion. GeneralPoxter (talk • contribs) 17:56, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

Not a problem, I'll withdraw my blurb. - Dank (push to talk) 15:04, 9 December 2021 (UTC)