Wikipedia talk:Discord

Appeal

My username on Discord is the same as my Wikipedia handle, and wish for someone to reach out so as to come to an understanding for what happened leading up to my ban. Akaibu (talk) 02:36, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

I am willing to discuss, but you have made less than 20 edits since your ban in February, so unless there are extenuating circumstances, we are unlikely to unban right now. I have sent you a friend request to enable me to DM you. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 05:22, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Unable to Join!

Hey, my Discord ID is "wiki_grabup." I joined the Discord server, but now I can't see it on my app, and I'm unable to rejoin the server. Could you please tell me what went wrong? GrabUp - Talk 12:20, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

@Grabup You were banned. This relates to the issues surrounding your current partial blocks, as you came into the server to further that same conflict through friend requests and direct messages to multiple people. -- ferret (talk) 20:21, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

I just messaged Josh to apologize and make things better. I explained to him why I suddenly started doing this. My intention was not to bother him at all. I didn't message anyone else, just sent friend requests to 3 others whom I know. Anyways I respect the ban. GrabUp - Talk 03:27, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Requested move 10 June 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. a WP:SNOW case (non-admin closure) JuniperChill (talk) 23:34, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Discord → Wikipedia:Wikimedia Community Discord – Almost all of this page concerns a single Discord server, referred to as the 'Wikimedia Community Discord'. But #Other servers lists at least ten other servers specifically targetting the English Wikipedia plus many more within the wider Wikimedia movement. All of these are community-organised and it doesn't seem like any of them is more 'official' than the others. So why is WCD singled out for special treatment here? I suggest we move this page to Wikipedia:Wikimedia Community Discord and turn Wikipedia:Discord into either a disambiguation or information page listing all the existing servers. – Joe (talk) 07:15, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Joe, do you believe there is any confusion here? "WCD" as you put it is the primary English Wikipedia server. This really isn't in question, I don't think. None of the other servers listed here deal with English Wikipedia in a broad and general sense, but they are clearly denoted all the same. -- ferret (talk) 14:24, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

In what sense is it "primary"? – Joe (talk) 14:37, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

In that there is no other community server that deals with English Wikipedia and its various WikiProjects in general. This is the oldest and larger (by far) server. All other servers are for various tools or subject specific areas. -- ferret (talk) 14:39, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Don't you think the fact that it's been preferentially advertised on-wiki might have a role in that? Readers of this page have to scroll past a big blue join button, a how-to guide, and full lists of rules, channels, bots, groups, moderators, and userboxes for your server before there's even an acknowledgement that others exist. As I understand it, anyone can create a Discord server quite easily, so supporting individual groups of Wikipedians to create them for their specific areas of interest seems much more in keeping with how we usually do things (you already mentioned WikiProjects, which have the same model). Instead, this page gives undue prominence to one alternative of many, controlled by just two people (one being you). – Joe (talk) 15:01, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Yes, I'm confident that actually being embedded in community pages, by the community at large, has been a component of its growth. That does not change the fact that it is the only community server with a direct focus on English Wikipedia in general. No one has arrived at WP:Discord and thought, "Darn, I was expecting to see this was for WikiLoop DoubleCheck, but instead its focused on a server for English Wikipedia."

As for the administrative control of the server, this is a condition of any such platform, no different than IRC with its limited group contacts. I'm more than open to feedback if you feel my stewardship of the server is lacking or somehow harmful.

If you are concerned that other narrow-focused servers do not have enough visibility, we can also move them higher in the page. But I truly do not believe anyone is being misled or confused by the current arrangement. -- ferret (talk) 15:11, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

You rewrote some of your statement as I replied. The above was written in response to Special:Diff/1228311404. I've not edited it in response to your edits. -- ferret (talk) 15:12, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

I'm not saying that anyone has been confused or misled. The rationale for this proposed move is that this page gives undue prominence to your server. Mentioning the alternatives earlier would address part of that problem, but not do anything about the massive disparity in textual weight (i.e. 1400 words for WCD; one list entry each for the other ten). Moving this page and creating a disambiguation page or index in its place would solve the whole problem. I imagine you could still be first on the list, if that's what's worrying you. – Joe (talk) 15:33, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

I would call it a WP:DUEWEIGHT issue. If one thing is demonstrably the primary server in user numbers and overall coverage why wouldn't it be the primary topic listed here? Is your thought that if the page was moved and the list adjusted that the Ultraviolet server would all of a sudden see a huge influx of people? Or that this is somehow siphoning people away from these other servers? ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 15:37, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Since this is not an article, I see the issue as analogous to but not quite the same as a WP:DUEWEIGHT one: it's more a question of fairness in how we describe external services. I don't use any of these servers and don't care how many users they have now or in future. However, pages in the project namespace shouldn't be used to promote one competing service over another. – Joe (talk) 15:50, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

PEPSI is an essay, that you wrote no less than 8 months ago, but that aside, we (a general we of the whole community) aren't promoting one competing service over another here. There is one primary general-interest community server at this time, and several (listed) satellite servers for various focused interests. PEPSI also doesn't advise to remove such mentions (which you did earlier), but to simply provides guidance to ensure alternatives are listed where possible... which they are. -- ferret (talk) 15:58, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Yes I know, I'm not old enough to forget things I did eight months ago. I'm linking it here so I don't have to write out the reasoning again. That's what essays are for.

This page is quite clearly promoting one service (the Wikimedia Community Discord) over others (however many other Wikipedia-related Discord servers are out there) and I don't understand how you possibly claim otherwise. The alternatives are listed, yes... at the very end, after a full page about your server. That might seem fair to you, but maybe let's hear from someone who isn't also one of the main beneficiaries of that promotion, eh? – Joe (talk) 16:09, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Joe, sincerely, do you really believe I see this as a "my server" issue? I happen to sit in the technical-required ownership spot (and wasn't the first). I take that role seriously though, is all. If the community demands I hand it to another, I will. Is there anything enforcing that beyond my word? No, but I'm a sysop and checkuser in good standing, so I hope that holds some degree of trust. Please temper suggestions I might be arguing from a place of self-interest. -- ferret (talk) 16:17, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose. The "WCD" server is clearly the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Like the similar page Wikipedia:IRC, which is not named Wikipedia:Wikimedia on Libera Chat, folks who link to WP:DISCORD intend it to link to this server and not a disambiguation page. –Novem Linguae (talk) 17:07, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

There's also a discussion at Template talk:Header navbar community that could use some more eyes. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:13, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Registering my personal oppose per arguments made above. As already denoted but for full disclosure, I operate the server. -- ferret (talk) 17:17, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose, I like the bike shed the color it is. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:18, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
• oppose: ferret says it best ... sawyer * he/they * talk 18:32, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
• I helped to start one of the "other servers" and don't see a problem with the current setup. There's one big multipurpse server applicable to enwiki broadly and a bunch of more specific servers dedicated to specific projects, affiliates, or sub-communities. I don't see a problem with the former being the first one people encounter. In fact, if someone is looking for a general purpose English Wikipedia Discord server, they shouldn't find the e.g. WikiNYC or Ultraviolet server at the top of the list. They're not in competition -- they serve other purposes. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 18:50, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
• Nope, however perhaps a top note that this project page is primarily about the Wikimedia Community Discord, and link down that #other_servers exist. — xaosflux ^Talk 18:59, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

  Maybe a {{nutshell}}. — xaosflux ^Talk 19:00, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

  I started to do this but decided to let this discussion go first. It has my support for what that is worth. -- ferret (talk) 19:00, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

• (talk page watcher) Oppose, as someone who owns and moderates, respectively, two servers in the "Other servers" list. Besides what Rhodo and Ferret have already said, to call other servers a "competing service" is a bit incorrect — being a member of "WCD" is not mutually exclusive with being a member of the other servers. The "server" terminology isn't even accurate; different "servers" are not on different "servers". Discord users can join multiple Wikimedia-related servers as long as it suits their interest, and leave whichever ones they no longer want to be in; all of this with relative ease. Chlod (say hi!) 19:12, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per Novem and SFR. Waste of time with zero benefit. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 20:24, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose – this is the only English Wikipedia community server that's listed. If someone else creates a new one that covers all of English Wikipedia, this RM would have some amount of merit, but even then I think it would be better to rework the page than move it. As-is, if we want to make the other servers more visible, that can be done by reworking the page. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 00:40, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
• From an organizational perspective, personally I feel the best structure is to have a general page with common information about Discord and a directory of servers and their channels, and information specific to one server or channel contained on separate pages (perhaps subpages). isaacl (talk) 15:58, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose I think it's time we declare this channel as an official, it has far the most acitivity and users.--A09|(talk) 22:03, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Unban request

N0mz_ on discord. I get why I got banned like a year ago but I've made some pretty significant contributions. NomzEditingWikis (talk) 19:43, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Perhaps you should speak about why you got banned and what has supposedly changed since then @NomzEditingWikis? You've had very sporadic activity on wiki and it's not clear how engaging with other members of the community on Discord might be beneficial. Hey man im josh (talk) 20:10, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure I got banned for vandalism, but I just want to connect with other people working on similar things to me NomzEditingWikis (talk) 20:15, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

did you just ban my alt lmao NomzEditingWikis (talk) 20:17, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

@NomzEditingWikis: You're welcome to follow up on Discord (my user is heymanimjosh) to make it simpler if you prefer... but it's never a good thing to evade a ban, while simultaneously asking to be unbanned. Hey man im josh (talk) 20:20, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Unbanned with a reminder to read server rules thoroughly and to read the pins in the channels. Hey man im josh (talk) 21:33, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Disambiguation hatnote?

As was discussed a couple months ago, this page could be reached by someone looking for a guideline or policy on the reliability of citing Discord logs as a source. Should there be a note on top of the page pointing users to the relevant RSN discussion or WP:SOCIALMEDIA? Reconrabbit 20:14, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

Unable to Join

Error message saying link was disabled or expired or something to that effect. I don't remember leaving the server in the first place; it must have been an accidental leave or a kick by an admin. Bremps... 07:35, 29 June 2024 (UTC)