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00:47:20, 17 May 2019 review of draft by THX1136

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I recently had an article reviewed which was declined for unacceptable sources by Wiki standards. I understand why one of my sources was not acceptable per the guidelines mentioned by the reviewer. There was a second source which I felt met the criteria along with a third source that was identified as a good source. I mentioned this to the reviewer who graciously gave things a second look. The reviewer thought the source in question was "self published" which disqualifies it, in a manner of speaking. I contend that the assumption the reviewer made was in error. Here is a brief description why I believe that.

The site that the article is on and the article itself are by 2 different and unrelated individuals. The site (Arf! Arf! Records) is administered by Aram Heller; the "info" article included on that site was written by Tom Tourville. Tourville is an author who writes about the music scene of the 60s in IA and MN and is not connected to the Arf! Arf! site nor the subject of my article in any direct manner. In short, I believe Heller "reposted/reprinted" Tourville's article on the Arf! Arf! site. To me that puts the article in the same category as an article included in a magazine or newspaper written as an op-ed or by a staff writer/reporter. I was wondering how I could get a second opinion on the source (Arf! Arf!)? If the same conclusion is made then I will continue to work to improve the sourcing of the article itself. Thank you for you consideration in this matter. THX1136 (talk) 00:47, 17 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hi THX1136. Can you figure out where Heller reprinted Tourville's article from? I suspect he reprinted it from the liner notes of the two parts of Arf! Arf!'s The IGL rock story - that Tourville was being paid to write something that would help sell a collection of IGL songs. The Johnston, Iowa, public library has the CDs. Can you borrow them through your local library or make a road trip to examine them?
Of greater concern to me is that the draft cites discogs and last.fm, both of which are on the WP:NOTRSMUSIC list. --Worldbruce (talk) 17:05, 19 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Tom has a book out on IGL which he published back in the early to mid 90s if I remember correctly. From the title of the book it appears to be focused on the 200 plus recordings that came out of the studio. I have a query in to Tourville, but have received no reply yet. There is a copy of the book available at ebay, but I'm not sure I want to spend the $30 or so to buy it and then find it does not have the info I'm looking for on the studio itself. I emailed John Senn to see if he can locate articles that may have been published in local papers about the studio and he seems willing to check around for those. I work near Johnston so I will check there to see what I can find on that front.
On the discogs and last.fm issue. I need to read your reference. I used the discogs site as a reference to back up the values of the recording mentioned in the article. I assume from your mention that the cite is of no worth due to the nature of the discogs site. Thank you for pointing that out. Even though I've been editing for awhile at Wikipedia, I always appreciate any help anyone has to offer. It helps me to get things right the first time hopefully. I was thinking about beginning to strip out info that used cites from the IGL book. Would that be a good step to take or should I wait to see if I can find sources that are acceptable that support what I've already written? Again, thank you for your help and insight on this matter.THX1136 (talk) 01:34, 20 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@THX1136: Very little information is available about Sweet Memories Publishing. I'm willing to assume that it is not a self-publisher unless evidence to the contrary turns up. The authors are not independent of the topic, so the book doesn't count toward notability, but it can be used as a reliable source. What it is being used to support doesn't seem unduly self-serving. Just be sure that the bulk of the draft comes from independent sources. --Worldbruce (talk) 06:28, 21 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

02:06:29, 17 May 2019 review of draft by Isaac Omar

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Isaac Omar (talk) 02:06, 17 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

First of all I am the creator of the Bukura Somo article. Secondly, I was born and raised in Dawa Zone in which the sonal administration wasn't exist at that time. The whole region was called Sidamo Province. Therefore, I am writing about something I know at first hand knowledge of it. I believe the reviewer of my article has no current events in Ethiopia at all and Somali regional state in particular. I was there at the celebration Dawa Zone on March 22, 2016. I also, gave you a reference regarding information contained in Liban Zone,in Somali state. Someone has posted inaccurate information. Lahey, Qadaduma, Moyale, are no longer in Liban Zone, but Dawa Zone. Furthermore, if your agent or editor is actually search how many zones are there in Somali State, he or she will find that there are 11 zones, in which the Dawa Zone is one of them. Please review the following links, and let me know. Thanks. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uO1V1lfD3yM https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Dawa_Zone_1.jpg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uO1V1lfD3yM https://www1.wfp.org/news/wfp-resumes-food-distributions-ethiopias-dawa-zone


Isaac Omar Greetings. Pls note that what we need are multiple (at least 3) independent (secondary source), reliable sources such as from major newspapers directly talk about the subject in depth and in length for verification and not personal account the editor knowledge of the subject. (see the comment on the grey panel on top of the draft). Hope this help and btw the sources can be in any languages.. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 14:21, 18 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

08:47:08, 17 May 2019 review of submission by Onglipo

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Submission Declined, reason: additional references meeting these criteria should be added

Will TV show references from youtube National TV Doordarshan 1 2 and Regional TV 3 be sufficient for re-evaluation? Onglipo (talk) 08:47, 17 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

09:16:38, 17 May 2019 review of submission by Marthanewson

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Hi! Thanks for the review. I don't know why the article is contrary to the purposes of Wikipedia. It is written impartially, uses a number of reliable sources (including academic articles, museums, and musical archives) and links to a number of other notable composers and poets. As an academic myself, I've been very careful to avoid including any bias. Marthanewson (talk) 09:16, 17 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Marthanewson: Nonsense like "and has had commissions and performances across the world, earning him the title 'The Composer Between Man and Music'" is contrary to the purpose of Wikipedia. The cited source is an unscientific survey asking composers and musicologists about themselves and their opinions. Newson was one of 37 who responded (very briefly). No one was awarded the title 'The Composer Between Man and Music'. If you have a close connection to the topic you are writing about, you have a conflict of interest, and should disclose it. --Worldbruce (talk) 14:28, 21 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

10:44:47, 17 May 2019 review of submission by Mlawsn

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Because this artical I made is about Roman Legal Affects!

Mlawsn (talk) 10:44, 17 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Mlawsn: - we have plenty of articles both on the formation of modern law as well as Roman law. If you have content then please add it to one of these - if and only if you have suitable sourcing for your content. Nosebagbear (talk) 23:46, 18 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

11:39:28, 17 May 2019 review of submission by Mpampismate

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I hope that the review of this article is accepted by the community for these reasons: The article was corrected into a more neutral format. Any sales 'speak' was removed. Online and publicly available sources are referenced to back up key items. There are already references in Wikipedia to Pix4Dmapper but there is no Pix4Dmapper article. There are articles in Wikipedia for similar products (PhotoModeler, RealityCapture, Leica Photogrammetry Suite) and they were used as templates for the Pix4Dmapper article. Pix4Dmapper has been around for many years, is one of the first softwares for photogrammetry and is used in almost every country in the world.


Mpampismate (talk) 11:39, 17 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Mpampismate, this is not the place to post the full text of drafts. As has already been pointed out to you at the draft itself, there is already an article on this subject at Pix4D. GMGtalk 13:49, 17 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

13:39:32, 17 May 2019 review of submission by Shieru2411

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Hello , I want to publish the page due to "Che Shieru" (person) will be do collaborating with top fashion brand such as Issey Miyake and more She will debut herself in America and this will be good to have her wikipedia page to use for entertainment and news sources for media in US and worldwide. Shieru2411 (talk) 13:39, 17 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Shieru2411. The article you created has been nominated for deletion as it includes essentially no content, and no indication why the subject should qualify for an article on Wikipedia. You may wish to review our notability criteria for biographies, and if the individual has been the subject of sustained in-depth coverage in reliable published sources (usually things like books, magazines and newspapers, and excluding routine directory entries, press releases, and official website), then you should include that content in the draft and submit it for review. GMGtalk 13:52, 17 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

23:55:21, 17 May 2019 review of draft by 2600:1700:F260:C6B0:B0CB:D3F8:CFC:33ED

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please help?

2600:1700:F260:C6B0:B0CB:D3F8:CFC:33ED (talk) 23:55, 17 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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